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10-17-2013, 09:11 AM | #1 |
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CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
I have to replace the rear axle in my 14HP V-twin Cushman. Because I never do anything easy, I’m repositioning the axle under the factory swing arm (for ground clearance), so the distance between the driven and drive CVT’s will be different (further apart). How do I calculate the proper belt length for this new setup? Any help would be great. 8” drive (CCP06), stock EZGO driven (9”+-). Any info on belt cross reference numbers would also be helpful. Thanks - GaryDee |
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10-18-2013, 04:39 AM | #2 |
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Re: CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
wrap a string around the drive clutches shaft then around the outside of the driven. add a couple of inches (usually 2) and you have the INSIDE diamter of the belt. add about another inch and you have the outside diameter belt you need. www.accessdayco.com has an option to search via dimensions. plug it in there, then go to your local autozone and order it. Ill be honest, Its kind of a pain to figure out.
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10-18-2013, 08:40 AM | #3 |
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Re: CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
The equation for determining belt length is:
L= ((2*a*D2+2*a*D1)*Pi+D2^2-2*D1*D2+D1^2+8*a^2)/(4*a) a=the center to center distance (distance between the center of the bolt holding on the drive and the bolt holding on the driven.) Pi= if you don't know what this is, where in trouble. D1=The Diameter of the drive clutch with the belt wrapped around it. Measure with a cheap dial caliper.(the belt is important because all belts are measured by the outside circumference not the inside) D2= The diameter of the Driven Clutch with the belt wrapped around it. An easy way to measure this is to take it off the cart lay it on the concrete and mark it's diameter (with the belt on it) with a pencil then measure the distance between the marks with a tape. Above is from someone more learnerd than this ole wiley coyote I used the string thingie on my neighbors ride,..... |
10-20-2013, 10:16 AM | #4 |
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Re: CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
If you know the stock setup and belt, you can cheat and just measure center distance you have (and offset of course). When you do the new install do the same offset and get a new center distance, double the increase in your center distance and add it to stock belt length. You lengthen the top and bottom of the belt when you move the clutch, so double the change in distance. It should be very close. Ideally buy that belt when you get it mocked up and check it out before you weld it up/etc., also then you know you can get that size.
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11-11-2013, 09:22 PM | #5 | |
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Re: CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
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"sho305" - I had just thought of that! It would be an easy way to get the ballpark I need. I will have some adjustment from tilting the axle and/or moving the engine. Good point on making certain that there is a belt available in the size I may need before buckling everything up. Onto some cutting and welding! Thanks guys. |
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11-13-2013, 07:24 PM | #6 |
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11-14-2013, 07:16 PM | #7 | |
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11-18-2013, 06:24 PM | #8 |
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Re: CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
Does anyone know of a "belt length / width" to part number cross reference? Looks like I will end up needing a belt with an extra 4 inches total length (2 inch increase between drive and driven centerline). I have to figure out what belts are even available, any good sources?
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11-18-2013, 07:09 PM | #9 |
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Re: CVT Belt Length Calculation and source
I went through a similar process on my columbia, PITA.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of different angles of the belts too. IIRC O'Reilly Auto's website was the best resource I had found for belt lengths/part numbers/angles. |
11-25-2013, 11:37 AM | #10 | |
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Below is my complete original post on the subject. I should build an excel file calculator. The equation for determining belt length is: L= ((2*a*D2+2*a*D1)*Pi+D2^2-2*D1*D2+D1^2+8*a^2)/(4*a) a=the center to center distance (distance between the center of the bolt holding on the drive and the bolt holding on the driven.) Pi= if you don't know what this is, where in trouble. D1=The Diameter of the drive clutch with the belt wrapped around it. Measure with a cheap dial caliper.(the belt is important because all belts are measured by the outside circumference not the inside) D2= The diameter of the Driven Clutch with the belt wrapped around it. An easy way to measure this is to take it off the cart lay it on the concrete and mark it's diameter (with the belt on it) with a pencil then measure the distance between the marks with a tape. So assuming I can do math(questionable) Lets do a hypothetical: (These aren't real numbers, so your mileage may vary.) a= 14" D1= 2" D2= 9" ((2*14*9+2*14*2)*PI+9^2-2*2*9+2^2+8*14^2)/(4*14)= 46.15 (assuming no slack) 252+56*PI= 967.61 81-36+4+1568=1617 967.61+1617=2584.61 2584.61/56= 46.15" If that makes sense. To figure out the amount of slack you want You use right angle triangle Theorem. In this same example scenario: B = the opposite leg of the triangle a = our center to center distance still. C = the length of the belt between the pulleys S = the amount of slack you want Y = is one half of the extra length needed + (C/2) X = the extra belt length needed for the slack you want. (D2/2)-(D1/2)=B 4.5-1=3.5 a^2+B^2=C^2 14^2 + 3.5^2= 208.25 sqrt of 208.25 is 14.43 14.43=C Then to set slack: (C/2)^2+S^2=Y^2 (14.43/2)^2+1^2= 53.06 sqrt53.06=7.284 Y=7.284 2Y-C=X 2(7.284)-14.43=.138 X+L=Total Belt Length Needed .138+46.15= 46.288 It only takes a .138" longer belt to add 1" of slack over a 14" center to center. If I hadn't done the math I wouldn't have believed it. |
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