Carryall Budget Build

mrmrules · 12-21-2014, 10:10 AM

Hey guys I am new here the other day I picked up a Carryall got it home and started to work on it. Bad news from the garage... it didnt take long before I found broken case parts and a hole in the block. Good news is that its time to upgrade! I am going to do this on a budget. I am going to remove the motor tomorrow. I am going to cut some of the cross braces above the engine to make room for this swap. Possibly will be running a predator 420 backwards, unless I can convince my friends father to let me have the v twin 18hp in his old mower :)

Vinny73 · 12-21-2014, 10:20 AM

Keep us posted! I'm in the same boat. Bought a Carryall 2 and tried driving up the driveway and it wouldn't make it. Did a compression test to only find it had 35psi at best!!! Rather than tear it apart and put in a new set of rings, I found a 18hp motor. Your cart looks like a good one to upgrade!

sho305 · 12-21-2014, 02:03 PM

Much nicer cart than the carryall 2 I looked at. You can also try to find an older rear that is CCW, or run a jackshaft. 420/440/460 is the cheapest way to go, unless you get a twin used and go through it.

mrmrules · 12-21-2014, 04:17 PM

I spoke to a local guy who was selling parts on craigslist. He was an old guy with alot of knowledge he buys and refinished carts and sells them. He said he had a older rear end for $50. He was not sure if my hydraulic brakes would work on it. And he said it did not have a locker like mine. So I am on the fence between that, a jackshaft, or just running reverse as forward and taking the 25% reduction in forward speed. Forward gear ratio is approx 1:15 and reverse is 1:20....

sho305 · 12-22-2014, 10:19 PM

If you hassle with a jackshaft you can change your gearing with it, but have to adjust the clutch some too. I dunno, I have only a few times I really need posi just the same it would be hard to give up. The CC CA2 I looked at did not have a locker or posi at all.

BLACK DEATH · 12-23-2014, 03:10 PM

How fast can you go in reverse with a 1:20 ratio with 18" tires or even 22or23 & staying in a safe rpm band for the engine to stay alive?
Also are this ratios posted only for the carryall ones or for DS ones also?

ncsu4life · 12-23-2014, 03:47 PM

Speed Calculator here:

http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/speed-calculator.php

mrmrules · 12-23-2014, 10:59 PM

Yikes were going to have a problem here. With 3600 rpm and a gear ratio of 20:1 with approx 20" tire diameter (I guessed) I will have a top speed of 10 mph. That is not going to work for me. I am going to have to seriously consider changing the axle to an older one. Does anyone know if my hydraulic brakes will bolt onto the older axle? Otherwise I have to come up with a jack shaft set up where I can make the speed with gear changes seems like alot of work though.. I found the gear ratio by searching online for the specifications of the carryall 2001 model which I have. I have not looked up the ratios of the DS models I prob should find out what the axle is out of that the local seller has. I can deal with no locker in the rear end I CANNOT deal with 10 mph!!!

mrmrules · 12-23-2014, 11:15 PM

Browsing around the farm today in search of a motor before I set out to buy one. I came across a couple victims that may be salvagable for parts. One has a 20 hp onan (which has been sitting for 5 years) it blew the hydraulic pump. The other has a 18 hp Vanguard which has been sitting for a year it also blew the hydro pump. I started the 18 hp last year and it ran well. The other I am going to try to start this week when I have time. Then I just got to get the ok to cut them up. Which motor do you guys like better?

TJL · 12-24-2014, 08:54 AM

The Briggs. Assuming the crank is proper straight shaft.

12-21-2014, 10:20 AM	#2
Vinny73 Gone Wild Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: San Diego,CA Posts: 622	Re: Carryall Budget Build Keep us posted! I'm in the same boat. Bought a Carryall 2 and tried driving up the driveway and it wouldn't make it. Did a compression test to only find it had 35psi at best!!! Rather than tear it apart and put in a new set of rings, I found a 18hp motor. Your cart looks like a good one to upgrade!

12-21-2014, 02:03 PM	#3
sho305 Vegas modded 420 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: West MI Posts: 15,445	Re: Carryall Budget Build Much nicer cart than the carryall 2 I looked at. You can also try to find an older rear that is CCW, or run a jackshaft. 420/440/460 is the cheapest way to go, unless you get a twin used and go through it.

12-21-2014, 04:17 PM	#4
mrmrules Getting Wild Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 83	Re: Carryall Budget Build I spoke to a local guy who was selling parts on craigslist. He was an old guy with alot of knowledge he buys and refinished carts and sells them. He said he had a older rear end for $50. He was not sure if my hydraulic brakes would work on it. And he said it did not have a locker like mine. So I am on the fence between that, a jackshaft, or just running reverse as forward and taking the 25% reduction in forward speed. Forward gear ratio is approx 1:15 and reverse is 1:20....
mrmrules Getting Wild Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 83

12-22-2014, 10:19 PM	#5
sho305 Vegas modded 420 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: West MI Posts: 15,445	Re: Carryall Budget Build If you hassle with a jackshaft you can change your gearing with it, but have to adjust the clutch some too. I dunno, I have only a few times I really need posi just the same it would be hard to give up. The CC CA2 I looked at did not have a locker or posi at all.

12-23-2014, 03:10 PM	#6
BLACK DEATH Gone Wild Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Posts: 1,644	Re: Carryall Budget Build How fast can you go in reverse with a 1:20 ratio with 18" tires or even 22or23 & staying in a safe rpm band for the engine to stay alive? Also are this ratios posted only for the carryall ones or for DS ones also?

Today
BGW	Sponsored Links __________________ This advertising will not be shown in this way to registered members. Register your free account today and become a member on Buggies Gone Wild Golf Cart Forum

12-23-2014, 03:47 PM	#7
ncsu4life Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 55	Re: Carryall Budget Build Speed Calculator here: http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/speed-calculator.php

12-23-2014, 10:59 PM	#8
mrmrules Getting Wild Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 83	Re: Carryall Budget Build Yikes were going to have a problem here. With 3600 rpm and a gear ratio of 20:1 with approx 20" tire diameter (I guessed) I will have a top speed of 10 mph. That is not going to work for me. I am going to have to seriously consider changing the axle to an older one. Does anyone know if my hydraulic brakes will bolt onto the older axle? Otherwise I have to come up with a jack shaft set up where I can make the speed with gear changes seems like alot of work though.. I found the gear ratio by searching online for the specifications of the carryall 2001 model which I have. I have not looked up the ratios of the DS models I prob should find out what the axle is out of that the local seller has. I can deal with no locker in the rear end I CANNOT deal with 10 mph!!!
mrmrules Getting Wild Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 83

12-24-2014, 08:54 AM	#10
TJL Gone Wild Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Central Florida Posts: 409	Re: Carryall Budget Build The Briggs. Assuming the crank is proper straight shaft.

Similar Threads
Thread	Forum
My very low budget build	Lifted Golf Carts
Club Car DS budget build!	Members Rides
Yamaha G1 budget build 500	Sled Engine Swaps
budget g17 build pics	Lifted Golf Carts
The budget build	Lifted Golf Carts