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Old 09-20-2010, 09:37 PM   #1
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Default DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

I'm having a debate on what engine to go with. I'm getting a 16 hp briggs & stratton opposed for just about nothing. I'm debating if it's a good choice being that it was made in the 80's. I will be doing a lot of ice fishing with it so it would have to start up easy in the winter. I've been looking at the 16 hp duromax and carrollstream. I remember reading a post that someone said one was more cc then the other. I can't seam to find that thread.
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Old 09-21-2010, 06:51 AM   #2
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

Found it, The numbers didn't add up.
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Old 09-22-2010, 03:22 PM   #3
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

I got the CS red 16hp, I think it is virtually the same as the Duromax blue. It says Lifan on the label and I read that is what the duro is too. One thing I did note is the CS aircleaner is junk more or less, the duro I saw came with a tall plastic one that looked honda-ish with a circular element instead of a piece of foam (if they still come that way). Since I didn't use the exhaust or intake I didn't care, CS is close enough I could drive there if I had to and shipping was one day for me. It is running well so far no problems other than me finally getting the jetting close now.

The opposed will be much smoother, though on the factory mounts this 16 clone does not vibrate or anything like some said it would. The briggs is a good engine far as I know, I don't know what rpm they will spin likely not that much as they are flatheads. I just worked on a 18hp vertical opposed B&S and it is similar to a 20hp onan opposed I have. Depends on what shape its in and your budget I suppose...how much you will use the cart, etc. You can hog the jets on either to make it run better in the snow.
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Old 09-22-2010, 05:59 PM   #4
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

I used the 16 hp Duromax in my Geep1. Runs good....no gov, stock carb and air filter, stock muffler (I added a tail pipe with baffled tip). 30 mph on 22" tires and lots of low end torque.






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Old 09-22-2010, 07:33 PM   #5
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

Have you had any charging problems? If so how did you fix them. I called maxtool and they said the 16 hp engine don't have a charging system, any thoughts on that. I'm going to need lights so a charging system is a must. thanks for your replys and pics
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Old 09-22-2010, 08:28 PM   #6
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

From what I understand, it has a 3 amp charging system. That is not enough so I've had to charge the battery 3 time so far this summer. I would definitely set it up the way sho did on his CS engine. Check out his build thread, he used the stock starter/generator. I'm not sure what I am going to do to correct this yet.

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Old 09-22-2010, 09:26 PM   #7
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I was thinking the same thing with the starter / generator but I kind of got it sold. I'm going to look around to see what I can find. Thanks for the help
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Old 09-23-2010, 08:03 AM   #8
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

Yeah look at that big air cleaner, the CS air cleaner is not something you would want to run under the hood of a cart offroad IMO. I think that one might be more of a honda copy. But you can find parts pretty cheap for these I bet one could buy that entire air cleaner.

Far as the coil, CS told me the place next door to them (and others on the net) sell the parts for the clones, he said you can get a second coil for under the flywheel they will fit two of them, and it will bump the charging up. It might be World Parts Center, its in the same building, but their website is pretty vague. I would not doubt a Honda coil would work too....like this one http://cgi.ebay.com/CHARGING-COIL-FI...-/370434505521
Oh here is the world parts they have an ebay store other parts are on there too http://cgi.ebay.com/MAGNETO-CHARGING...item5191f70eaa

Cheaper, $15
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=300444300902

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Depends on which charging system you have. There are 3 different charging systems for GX390.

3 Amp with one charging coil under flywheel.

10 Amp with two charging coils.

18 Amp with four charging coils.

I have the 10 amp system, and I have headlights, running lights and turn signals on my UTV, and it keeps the battery fully charged. The 3 amp system will barely keep the battery charged. The Clone 3 amp systems have been suspect, as to whether they put out the needed power to charge the battery. If yours is a clone, you might consider changing to the OEM Honda coil.

If your motor is a 3 amp, you need more than the coils to upgrade to the 10 amp. The rectifier is different on the 10 amp. The wiring also is different on the 10 amp.

The rectifier and wiring on the 18 amp are different than the 3 and 10 amp systems as well.
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Some say you need to change the flywheel too though.
I'll bet you can add another 3A no problem but need to swap for the higher charge.

My clone thread is in yamaha gas, search Clone specs. I hooked the charge coil up on that but sure the generator runs anyway.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:42 AM   #9
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Default Re: DuroMax VS CarrollStream engine

I'm running the 18 hp briggs opposed twin from the 80's. It runs great. The RPM is only 3600-3800 though. But with my 22" tires I'm running about 23-25 MPH. Fast enough for me. The biggest problem is the Briggs is a lot wider than the single cylinder clone engines, making installation more difficult, but it can be done. I hope this helps.
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I'm running the 18 hp briggs opposed twin from the 80's. It runs great. The RPM is only 3600-3800 though. But with my 22" tires I'm running about 23-25 MPH. Fast enough for me. The biggest problem is the Briggs is a lot wider than the single cylinder clone engines, making installation more difficult, but it can be done. I hope this helps.
That looks a lot like my clone install, I bet it comes out of the hole nice though. Hey, what kind of shocks you have there.....they look like airshocks?
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