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Unread 06-15-2015, 09:52 PM   #11
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It seems few people understand that speed and torque are two different things in the electric motor world. You get one extreme or the other, but not both. If you live in a hilly area, a speed motor is not what you want. If you live in a flat area a speed motor is great. I have an old EZGO TXT running a Raptor speed motor. Sure, it will go well over 30mph but I can assure you that going that fast in a cart is NOT a good idea. I've built speed carts, I've built torque carts. The best happy medium I've found is a good simple Sepex motor with a magnet. It'll go 22 on flat ground, absurdly fast on downhills and maintains decent torque.
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Unread 06-16-2015, 04:16 PM   #12
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It seems few people understand that speed and torque are two different things in the electric motor world. You get one extreme or the other, but not both. If you live in a hilly area, a speed motor is not what you want. If you live in a flat area a speed motor is great. I have an old EZGO TXT running a Raptor speed motor. Sure, it will go well over 30mph but I can assure you that going that fast in a cart is NOT a good idea. I've built speed carts, I've built torque carts. The best happy medium I've found is a good simple Sepex motor with a magnet. It'll go 22 on flat ground, absurdly fast on downhills and maintains decent torque.
I understand the difference. I just live on the coast of FL, so hills are obviously not an issue. Ours is for scooting around the neighborhood and the course, so speed is my main concern at this point, though not in the 30MPH range. If I could get in the 25MPH range, I'd be stoked. At this point, it appears the cheapest option to get me started is a motor upgrade.

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Unread 06-16-2015, 04:25 PM   #13
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Actually, you could send your existing motor to PQ. Let them rework it and you'll be very happy if this is all you want. Probably do better than 25, and save a ton of cash and easier to do. I think it is like 225$.
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Actually, you could send your existing motor to PQ. Let them rework it and you'll be very happy if this is all you want. Probably do better than 25, and save a ton of cash and easier to do. I think it is like 225$.
Yep, that seems to be the prevailing opinion thus far.

HOWEVER, I did get an estimate from the dealer we're working with of $250 installed for The Commander. Obviously, not nearly as tried & tested as the Bandit, but after shipping costs, Bandit will be just over $300 NOT installed.

The folks who do the Commander said it is a very similar upgrade to the Bandit.
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I understand the difference. I just live on the coast of FL, so hills are obviously not an issue. Ours is for scooting around the neighborhood and the course, so speed is my main concern at this point, though not in the 30MPH range. If I could get in the 25MPH range, I'd be stoked. At this point, it appears the cheapest option to get me started is a motor upgrade.

2011 CC Precedent (Excel system), no lift, rear facing seat, 12" wheels with low-pro tires
An Excel car with a speed magnet with no lift would go about 20. And you are talking about $30 to get the magnet.
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An Excel car with a speed magnet with no lift would go about 20. And you are talking about $30 to get the magnet.
nope the magnet will not work with the Excel, only the IQ.
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Yep, that seems to be the prevailing opinion thus far.

HOWEVER, I did get an estimate from the dealer we're working with of $250 installed for The Commander. Obviously, not nearly as tried & tested as the Bandit, but after shipping costs, Bandit will be just over $300 NOT installed.

The folks who do the Commander said it is a very similar upgrade to the Bandit.
Probably you're best option, the dealer will have to warranty his work less difficulties if you ever have trouble.
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nope the magnet will not work with the Excel, only the IQ.
You are correct. I'm doing 12 to many things at one time. I should proofread more and respond less
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$250 installed is dirt cheap. Like super dirt cheap. I just did a stock replacement on a 2011 IQ last week and it was $700
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If you live in a hilly area, a speed motor is not what you want
Going to have to disagree with you. A speed motor develops its max HP at a higher rpm to give you better speed going up hills. A torque motor develops its max HP at a lower RPM OK for getting up the hills but at a lower speed. I had a PQ Bandit and it was great as long as you were on flat land. When you got to even the slightest incline it lost 5mph. On a hill it lost 10mph. I upgraded to an AMD 7144 and it is a lot better. That hill that used to slow me down to 13 now only slows me down to 20. Disclaimer: My cart is street legal and I only drive it on the streets. If you are driving off road or using it for golf your results may vary.
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