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Unread 03-19-2016, 06:55 PM   #1
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Ok, 2013 Precedent, new batteries. Was supposed to have speed turned up when I bought it, speed code 4 is my guess from what I've read here? Runs pretty good on flat ground but my neighborhood has some hills. I expect it to slow down on the really steep hills but it seems to slow down a lot on less steep hills also. I've read a lot of the posts here. My serial number starts with PH, best I can tell that makes it a little more difficult. New motor, controller, both?
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Unread 03-19-2016, 07:09 PM   #2
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Ok so PH in the serial number means an Excel based cart so your means to the end is a little different that with an IQ cart. Speed Code 4 if truly installed will get you roughly 20 MPH depending on tire size etc on flat ground. BUT it can do absolutely NOTHING to give you more torque and you are still limited to a 250 amp controller... And hills take amps/torque to climb... Ask me how I know this! LOL As I got some serious hills in our hood...

You can get some more torque without a huge cash outlay by way of install of bigger gauge cables and a PLUM QUICK BANDIT motor... But if your hills are serious you will not conquer them until you install a larger controller, solenoid and motor too...

A Bandit motor rebuild will set you back 225.00 plus shipping both ways and bigger cables roughly another 125.00
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Unread 03-19-2016, 07:31 PM   #3
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So I've read here that the factory motors are capable of far more than they put out with factory settings, controller, etc (I'm still learning all the components so I may get some wrong). If that is so, and I wanted to start with one or the other, do I get more bang for my buck with a motor or controller? By cables do you mean battery cables? When I had my batteries installed the new cables are 4g.
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So I've read here that the factory motors are capable of far more than they put out with factory settings, controller, etc (I'm still learning all the components so I may get some wrong). If that is so, and I wanted to start with one or the other, do I get more bang for my buck with a motor or controller? By cables do you mean battery cables? When I had my batteries installed the new cables are 4g.
Did they go 4 gauge all the way to the motor, not just under the seat?

I don't know much about the factory motors other than they are good motors for being rebuilt into Roadrunners (500.00+) or Bandits (225.00) etc and that in the end no one keeps a stock factory motor under the hood...

I didn't get my real hill climbing torque till I went and installed the 500 amp controller. Did batteries, cables, motor and controller in that order...

Best bang for the buck though according to this forum is the BANDIT motor though. Plus you can ALWAYS sell a BANDIT motor if you decide on a bigger motor later...
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You don't have to guess. If you don't have a sticker or a series of sticker with 3 codes, A, B and C near the serial number then you don't have code 4.
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You don't have to guess. If you don't have a sticker or a series of sticker with 3 codes, A, B and C near the serial number then you don't have code 4.
That is another one of the reasons that while I paid for SC4 on my cart I don't think I received it; no stickers and the speed was not there either....

SC3 is good for 14.8 MPH and SC4 is good for 19.6 MPH with stock tire sizes, taller tires will let you build a bit more speed....
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I had the gps on the windshield and I got 19mph on level ground before I replaced the batteries. Teecro the cables they replaced are just under the seat (connecting the batteries). I watched them hook up a scan tool or the like to my cart when I went to settle up after they were done installing accessories I just didn't know if what they did was considered changing the speed code. Again I don't have all the vocabulary down yet.
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I had the gps on the windshield and I got 19mph on level ground before I replaced the batteries. Teecro the cables they replaced are just under the seat (connecting the batteries). I watched them hook up a scan tool or the like to my cart when I went to settle up after they were done installing accessories I just didn't know if what they did was considered changing the speed code. Again I don't have all the vocabulary down yet.
Well if your GPS read 19 MPH with crappy batteries then yes without question then you have SC4 installed... With fresh batteries you should be able to reach that same 19 MPH a little quicker that's all...

If they only replaced the cables under the seat with 4 gauge IE no new cables to the motor and controller then that did you NO real good at all. A brand new 4 lane interstate is only as good as the bottleneck 2 lane bridge in the middle of it all!
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Not all carts with speed code 4 have stickers. If you sell your controller with the code in it and go with a bigger controller, the buyer can put your old controller on there cart and they will have speed code 4 without the sticker. Suprised Club Car didn't find a way to make it revert to speed code 3 when powered up in another cart.
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Unread 03-22-2016, 06:17 PM   #10
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Ok, and please bear with me. I did some reading on plum quick.com It says the bandit motor eliminates regen braking. I seem to read a lot about bypassing regen braking. My first question is why is that desirable? I have some big hills and it really helps stop. My second question is can somebody give me a quick synopsis on how regen braking works?
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