Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions

hdnik · 01-02-2017, 03:27 PM

Hello all,

I have thumbed around here and on the interweb for a couple days now and I'd like to know if I'm heading in the right direction - so I have a few questions that I think this forum can help answer.

So from what I can understand I have a 2008.5 Precedent i2 Excel. My VIN is PD0835-953528. As such, this cart cannot use the aftermarket "speed code 5" upgrade module because it does not have an iQ type controller but the Excel controller. THEREFORE - In order to get more speed on flat ground the most I could do without replacing parts is to re-program the controller to the speed code 4 setting

(Am I right So far?)

- FIRST QUESTION - is there a way to tell what it is set to now?
- NEXT - Is there a way to re-program yourself or does this have to be done at the dealer?
- THIRD - could i have the motor upgraded to a Plum Quick Bandit (purple) and if so, do I have to change any other parts?
- Brake regen confuses me - Is this a feature in the motor or of the controller? Can this feature be removed and what are pros and cons
- If i choose to do the Motor upgrade - how does brake regen and speed setting benefit me after the motor upgrade?

I just need to understand all of this before i start spending money in all the wrong places.

Thanks All!!

hdnik · 01-03-2017, 12:34 PM

UPDATE
It seems my cart is an i2L - meaning it had 10 inch wheels and pinstripes and a soft wheel - but Im unsure if anything else is different?

I also have looked into a D&D 11hp motor but they recommend a new 500 amp controller and new solenoid and wires - Lotsa $$$ but for not much more speed when compared to bandit upgrade

What exactly does PQ do to the engine to get that kind of increase with no other changes?

TahoeDawgZ71 · 01-03-2017, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdnik

Hello all,

I have thumbed around here and on the interweb for a couple days now and I'd like to know if I'm heading in the right direction - so I have a few questions that I think this forum can help answer.

So from what I can understand I have a 2008.5 Precedent i2 Excel. My VIN is PD0835-953528. As such, this cart cannot use the aftermarket "speed code 5" upgrade module because it does not have an iQ type controller but the Excel controller. THEREFORE - In order to get more speed on flat ground the most I could do without replacing parts is to re-program the controller to the speed code 4 setting

(Am I right So far?) Yes

- FIRST QUESTION - is there a way to tell what it is set to now? You'd have to plug in the Curtis handheld programmer to tell you for sure what the settings are
- NEXT - Is there a way to re-program yourself or does this have to be done at the dealer? It has to be done by someone who has a Curtis programmer. The person would have to order a "high speed code" from Club Car that is specific to your controller in order to unlock the 4th speed setting
- THIRD - could i have the motor upgraded to a Plum Quick Bandit (purple) and if so, do I have to change any other parts? Yes you could, and no you don't have to change any other parts. You'll gain lots of speed with this mod, but Plum Quick does not recommend the Bandit Excel motor in hilly conditions. I'm not sure of your terrain so you need to check into that before ordering anything.
- Brake regen confuses me - Is this a feature in the motor or of the controller? Can this feature be removed and what are pros and cons It's a feature of the controller. It can be removed by tuning the settings with the programmer, however the top speed will still be limited by regen braking. Benefits to regen braking are the fact that it can actually re-charge the batteries while braking is occuring by generating power to put back into the battery pack. It's a nice thought, but it's not all it's cracked up to be, believe me.
- If i choose to do the Motor upgrade - how does brake regen and speed setting benefit me after the motor upgrade? If you use a Plum Quick Bandit motor, the regen braking will be completely eliminated due to the way that they modify the internals of the motor.

I just need to understand all of this before i start spending money in all the wrong places.

Thanks All!!

I answered all of your questions in red text. I'd like to suggest replacing the controller with an Alltrax XCT300. It's only 300 amps so you wouldn't have to change the solenoid or any of the cables. They are adequate for the job in stock form. There is no need for upgrade. The Alltrax controller is fully adjustable by you, the owner. No expensive programmer is necessary to make changes to the programming. You'll be able to adjust the regen braking however you like it. You'll also be able to exceed the factory speed because the Alltrax doesn't put a limit on your top speed at 14.8MPH like the factory Curtis controller does. My customers are claiming to get 22-24 mph on flat ground with an Alltrax XCT300 on an otherwise stock Precedent.

hdnik · 01-03-2017, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TahoeDawgZ71

I answered all of your questions in red text. I'd like to suggest replacing the controller with an Alltrax XCT300. It's only 300 amps so you wouldn't have to change the solenoid or any of the cables. They are adequate for the job in stock form. There is no need for upgrade. The Alltrax controller is fully adjustable by you, the owner. No expensive programmer is necessary to make changes to the programming. You'll be able to adjust the regen braking however you like it. You'll also be able to exceed the factory speed because the Alltrax doesn't put a limit on your top speed at 14.8MPH like the factory Curtis controller does. My customers are claiming to get 22-24 mph on flat ground with an Alltrax XCT300 on an otherwise stock Precedent.

David. Thank you so much for the clarity. I have noticed your replies on many of the threads on this site and had already browsed your website for definitions etc.

I see you are a sponsor vendor. Great to know! I always try to buy from sponsors. of forums I belong to

A little more info - my cart is used in a trailer park - no hills - no off-roading. My cart is lifted 3.5" and has 14" wheels with low profile rubber so under 19" OD I'm guessing (cant remember tire size) so if i got over 20 MPH that would exceed what I could use in the park.

If you could indulge me - While this new controller does not require any other upgrades, do you recommend any (Solenoid, wires etc)? If so to what benefit?

Also this cart is a 2008.5 i2L Excel 48v but with 4x12v. The battery bay is the newer style and would support the 6x8v setup. Could/should I convert to 6x8V and if so would the obc or anything else have to change? And what batteries would you recommend?

Thanks again

w4rwf · 01-03-2017, 08:55 PM

Not answering for Dave by any means. He is the man. Consider your batteries as your gas tank. If you are running as long as you want now with your setup then you don't need to change your batteries. If you need more run time, then, 6 8v are the way to go. You achieve the same 48 volts either way you go. the more batteries, the more run time between charges. A larger controller will also consume more energy. A larger controller has a way of doing something to your foot controlling the go pedal.:)

TahoeDawgZ71 · 01-03-2017, 09:29 PM

w4rwf is correct regarding the batteries. The OBC may or may not need to be changed. It depends on the software version. There is a sticker on the OBC that will tell you the version. It's near the bottom of the pink sticker on the front of the OBC. It'll say something to the effect of v3.01 or v4.0... As for the speed limit in your campground, the Alltrax is fully adjustable. You can manually go in with your laptop and set the maximum speed and the controller will not allow the cart to go any faster than that. It's based on RPM, so you may have to play with it for a while until you find a speed you like, but it's very easy to use. The software is free, all you need is a USB 2.0 printer cable to make the connection to a home computer. Alltrax doesn't require any upgrades to use the 300 amp controller. If you ever think you may go bigger, it wouldn't hurt to put some bigger cables and a heavy duty solenoid on it, but it's not going to matter with the 300.

hdnik · 01-04-2017, 06:05 PM

Well my batteries are fine for now then. It only gets used on weekends in the summer and a charge see me through a couple weekends at a time.

When I order the controller (I assume it's the XCT300IQ that's for my cart) would the program settings be all set up for my stock motor or can I get the information to set it up myself. I imagine I'd have to input the specs of my application into the software... which I'm not sure I'd know.

Sorry if this is sounds like carting 101, but when I can draw info from people in the know, that's a thing I like to take advantage of when possible.

TahoeDawgZ71 · 01-04-2017, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdnik

Well my batteries are fine for now then. It only gets used on weekends in the summer and a charge see me through a couple weekends at a time.

When I order the controller (I assume it's the XCT300IQ that's for my cart) would the program settings be all set up for my stock motor or can I get the information to set it up myself. I imagine I'd have to input the specs of my application into the software... which I'm not sure I'd know.

Sorry if this is sounds like carting 101, but when I can draw info from people in the know, that's a thing I like to take advantage of when possible.

It can be pre-programmed for your motor before it's shipped.

w4rwf · 01-04-2017, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hdnik

Well my batteries are fine for now then. It only gets used on weekends in the summer and a charge see me through a couple weekends at a time.

Sounds like you only charge right before you are ready to use it. Should be on charge any time your not driving it, as in you are done for the day with it.

hdnik · 01-05-2017, 05:38 PM

W4RWF - Thank you for taking me to battery university! What are your thoughts about a battery tender that would allow me to keep my cart plugged in in my absence and fully charged

David i'd bet you can help me with that too?

01-02-2017, 03:27 PM	#1
hdnik Not Yet Wild Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Welland Ontario Posts: 56	Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions Hello all, I have thumbed around here and on the interweb for a couple days now and I'd like to know if I'm heading in the right direction - so I have a few questions that I think this forum can help answer. So from what I can understand I have a 2008.5 Precedent i2 Excel. My VIN is PD0835-953528. As such, this cart cannot use the aftermarket "speed code 5" upgrade module because it does not have an iQ type controller but the Excel controller. THEREFORE - In order to get more speed on flat ground the most I could do without replacing parts is to re-program the controller to the speed code 4 setting (Am I right So far?) - FIRST QUESTION - is there a way to tell what it is set to now? - NEXT - Is there a way to re-program yourself or does this have to be done at the dealer? - THIRD - could i have the motor upgraded to a Plum Quick Bandit (purple) and if so, do I have to change any other parts? - Brake regen confuses me - Is this a feature in the motor or of the controller? Can this feature be removed and what are pros and cons - If i choose to do the Motor upgrade - how does brake regen and speed setting benefit me after the motor upgrade? I just need to understand all of this before i start spending money in all the wrong places. Thanks All!!

01-03-2017, 12:34 PM	#2
hdnik Not Yet Wild Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Welland Ontario Posts: 56	Re: Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions UPDATE It seems my cart is an i2L - meaning it had 10 inch wheels and pinstripes and a soft wheel - but Im unsure if anything else is different? I also have looked into a D&D 11hp motor but they recommend a new 500 amp controller and new solenoid and wires - Lotsa $$$ but for not much more speed when compared to bandit upgrade What exactly does PQ do to the engine to get that kind of increase with no other changes?

01-03-2017, 08:55 PM	#5
w4rwf Getting Wild Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 146	Re: Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions Not answering for Dave by any means. He is the man. Consider your batteries as your gas tank. If you are running as long as you want now with your setup then you don't need to change your batteries. If you need more run time, then, 6 8v are the way to go. You achieve the same 48 volts either way you go. the more batteries, the more run time between charges. A larger controller will also consume more energy. A larger controller has a way of doing something to your foot controlling the go pedal.:)
w4rwf Getting Wild Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 146

01-03-2017, 09:29 PM	#6
TahoeDawgZ71 revolutiongolfcars.com Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Golf Car Capital of The World... Augusta, Georgia Posts: 10,224	Re: Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions w4rwf is correct regarding the batteries. The OBC may or may not need to be changed. It depends on the software version. There is a sticker on the OBC that will tell you the version. It's near the bottom of the pink sticker on the front of the OBC. It'll say something to the effect of v3.01 or v4.0... As for the speed limit in your campground, the Alltrax is fully adjustable. You can manually go in with your laptop and set the maximum speed and the controller will not allow the cart to go any faster than that. It's based on RPM, so you may have to play with it for a while until you find a speed you like, but it's very easy to use. The software is free, all you need is a USB 2.0 printer cable to make the connection to a home computer. Alltrax doesn't require any upgrades to use the 300 amp controller. If you ever think you may go bigger, it wouldn't hurt to put some bigger cables and a heavy duty solenoid on it, but it's not going to matter with the 300.

01-04-2017, 06:05 PM	#7
hdnik Not Yet Wild Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Welland Ontario Posts: 56	Re: Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions Well my batteries are fine for now then. It only gets used on weekends in the summer and a charge see me through a couple weekends at a time. When I order the controller (I assume it's the XCT300IQ that's for my cart) would the program settings be all set up for my stock motor or can I get the information to set it up myself. I imagine I'd have to input the specs of my application into the software... which I'm not sure I'd know. Sorry if this is sounds like carting 101, but when I can draw info from people in the know, that's a thing I like to take advantage of when possible.

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01-05-2017, 05:38 PM	#10
hdnik Not Yet Wild Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Welland Ontario Posts: 56	Re: Precedent i2 Excel speed upgrade questions W4RWF - Thank you for taking me to battery university! What are your thoughts about a battery tender that would allow me to keep my cart plugged in in my absence and fully charged David i'd bet you can help me with that too?

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