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Unread 02-04-2017, 07:38 PM   #1
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Default D&D ES-5 high torque motor

Just replaced my Bandit with a ES-5 motor. Don't have much to say at this point but on a slight decline the Bandit would get up to about 28 mph. This motor got up to about 23 on the same decline. The ES-5 reacts quicker when I engage the pedal but I haven't changed the controller settings. If I press the pedal more, the ES-5 is much more responsive.

I'm reasonably strong but it was pretty tough getting this motor onto the shaft. 20# or so heavier than the Bandit about all I could do getting it into place. Lying on my back with not much space to work.

Took a before and after photo. The ES-5 a couple of inches longer than the Bandit.
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Unread 02-04-2017, 09:50 PM   #2
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Default Re: D&D ES-5 high torque motor

I love my Bandit and with the Alltrax controller I purchased from Scorry I have all the torque I need. I do use mine for street use, not hunting, and the streets here are flat but getting across a street quickly and doing 30 MPH is no problem for me, and I'm a lead foot.......
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Unread 02-05-2017, 03:06 PM   #3
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Maybe it's just the angle, but there doesn't seem to be much clearance for the spring.


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Unread 02-05-2017, 03:18 PM   #4
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I have a D&D high torque motor in my cart but I have high speed gears - which required the high torque lower RPM motor. I like it a lot. I get 25MPH with my controller dialed back to 400 Amps.
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Unread 02-05-2017, 04:03 PM   #5
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I'm getting about 18-19 on flats pavement. On some paved hills around 13. I don't hunt or go off road, just lug around my house and pasture and sometimes on the neighborhood roads. I will say that hills definitely slow it but overall I can tell there's more torque. I haven't tried but I think it would probably do a wheelie as responsive as it is.

As for clearance, about 1/2 or slightly more to the alternative shock mounting stud. It hasn't touched but if it does I can cut off that portion of the mount since I'm not needing to use it.

The Bandit does offer a big bang for the buck. Half the cost of the D&D, had good speed and torque. I just wanted a little more.
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Unread 02-05-2017, 04:10 PM   #6
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Default Re: D&D ES-5 high torque motor

Your shock mounts are on upside down, [ask me how I know, DUHH] In your case it doesn't matter too much but if you had the other style of shock you would need the clearance.
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Unread 02-05-2017, 07:41 PM   #7
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Dundee, I looked underneath and can't see any other way that it would mount. Not saying you aren't correct I'm just not seeing it. It's a Jakes 6" lift kit and I remember thinking the instructions sucked. I'll see if I can dig up a installation photo next week. If you have a photo please post.

And if anyone wants a Bandit motor I have one at close to 1/2 price. Send me a PM for details. Still looks like new inside and out.
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Yeah, the instruction sheet was a little "sheety". I mounted mine like yours are now the first time too. Then realized my shocks with an eye on the bottom wouldn't clear the motor. Looked at the awesome graphics on the paper and realized that the mount plate should be flipped over and the shock stud should point to the rear of the buggy. Makes no difference to the shock but I did take a piece of pipe and bend the stud up a bit to help with shock alignment, but makes no difference with yours. Anyways, I'm following this thread as I too have a new D&D torque motor but mine is a sepex. The torque so far is awesome and I am working on the speed. Winter is not helping, [unless you want to walk on water, does it ever?]
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Unread 02-05-2017, 09:01 PM   #9
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Some people love walking on water, or driving car's on it. I prefer heat over cold.

Will look over the instructions this coming week. Does it affect the amount of lift?

I'm already into the series cart but if I were to do it again, I'd investigate going other technologies. I like the idea of Regen braking.

I couldn't find a single bit of info on the web about the ES-5 but they say lots have been sold for hunting buggies. I also don't understand why they custom build them. Seems like it should be an off the shelf motor.
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Unread 02-05-2017, 09:48 PM   #10
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Mine is a a custom wind too. No, it does not affect the lift, you are just flipping the top plate. But hey, don't worry about it, you are not using the shock bolt/studs and the mounting hole for your shock does not change. I love the regen, so far, I had it set to not lock up the rear wheels on snow but still slow you down. I hardly use the brakes. Only to stop in close quarters or to change direction quickly. The fact that it charges the batteries [up to 40a for a second or 2] does little for the "big picture" in the country. Drives like my farm tractors, let off the throttle and you slow down. Mode one, [low speed] boosts the torque too. But this is my first cart so I have no experience with hot series motors so maybe I'm missing something there too.
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