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Unread 09-19-2019, 07:54 PM   #1
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Angry SEVERE Negative Camber (Toe?) After Front Bushing & Shocks Replacement

My 2010 Precedent with 6 inch Rhox lift kit, 14 inch wheels and 23 inch AT tires has been driving fine for a long time but recently noticed the steering getting harder and harder to turn until finally there was a hard clunk when turning.

I researched the board here and ordered a full replacement set of front bushings and 2 new shocks.

Upon inspection, sure enough my lower spring bushings were shot, completely gone. Other bushings not that bad.

I put the cart on jack stands, removed the wheels, installed all 12 new front bushings on the lower spring and the A arms wheel side and frame side. I removed the headlight and unbolted the entire tie rod assembly as a unit just so I could get the A arm frame side bolts out but then rebolted it back exactly as it was. Finally I bolted all bolts up back up tight. Now take a look! Its worse than when I started!

The attached pics you see are with the steering wheel turned straight ahead. I have EXTREME negative camber. Its like the front wheels are turning out against the cart. How can replacing simple bushings/shocks result in this?

A couple of questions:

1. Do ALL bolts get tightened in the front suspension including shock mount bolts? (I did tighten every bolt)

2. I know the front spring on Club Cars can be camber adjusted but from what I understand the spring just slides left or right. Will this help my situation?

3. I checked all parts and see nothing bent or out of order.

4. Could I have put the A arms back in wrong, screwed something up by removing/rebolting the tie rod assembly, or done something just absolutely stupid that I have missed?

5. Is this toe related at all? Not sure.

I'm at a loss to fix this. Cart is driving like a clown car!
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Unread 09-19-2019, 09:02 PM   #2
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Default Re: SEVERE Negative Camber (Toe?) After Front Bushing & Shocks Replacement

Its been my experience that nothing is going to help your situation but a lift like the AllSport A-Arm lift. It has separate adjustments for the camber. I believe the spindle lift only exaggerates the problem.
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Default Re: SEVERE Negative Camber (Toe?) After Front Bushing & Shocks Replacement

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Its been my experience that nothing is going to help your situation but a lift like the AllSport A-Arm lift. It has separate adjustments for the camber. I believe the spindle lift only exaggerates the problem.
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Thanks Walter, i've read about the AllSport kit. Not wanting to really change anything ive got right now though.

In looking at my posted pics further i'm thinking its a toe issue since the angle of the wheels is pointed out rather than the tires tilting. Im going to adjust the toe on the tie rods and see if that improves things.

Is it pretty mandatory when replacing bushings that toe adjustment is required?

Anyone else?
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Unread 09-20-2019, 07:10 AM   #4
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Default Re: SEVERE Negative Camber (Toe?) After Front Bushing & Shocks Replacement

looks like a toe issue to me toe'd out too much. Adjust the toe til the front of the tire measures center to center at the mid height about 1/8" less than the back of the tire center to center at mid height.
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Unread 09-20-2019, 06:31 PM   #5
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Default Re: SEVERE Negative Camber (Toe?) After Front Bushing & Shocks Replacement

Worn out bushings. Very common with a spindle lift kit such as the one on your car. The spindles are so long they apply much more leverage on the factory bushings when you're driving than the factory spindles do. This rapidly increases the rate of wear and tear on the bushings. That's why they're worn out. You can replace them, but it's going to do it again. And even if you do replace them, don't expect perfect alignment. It'll be closer than it was, but it's never gonna be perfect.
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Unread 09-20-2019, 08:53 PM   #6
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Default Re: SEVERE Negative Camber (Toe?) After Front Bushing & Shocks Replacement

Your toe angle has been out for a long time looking at the way the tires are worn.
Your inside tread is almost gone and the center bars are feathered toward the outside. Indicating the tires have been significantly toed out.
Adjust the toe in and it will help, but you will probably need to make an adjustment to center the camber as well.
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