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Unread 07-23-2009, 12:01 PM   #11
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

OK, here's some pics of the F/R Switch:

The backside of the F/R switch has the M- on the left side, and the A2 on the right side. The front of the F/R switch has the S2 on the left side and the S1 on the right side.

If I turn the key on, and move the F/R to forward, and step on the throttle, the A2 cable gets hot pretty quick.

Now look at the Controller:

Everything here is wired according to the Alltrax diagram.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 12:07 PM   #12
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

Now look at the solenoid:

At the small posts:

The left red wire goes to B- on the Alltrax controller.

The right red wires go to the positive battery terminal for the keyswitch and the PB-6 microswitch that is wired in series with the F/R switch.

An interesting note is that I found another Alltrax diagram that shows M- from the controller going directly to A2. I'm wondering if I have M- and A2 on the F/R switch reversed, or is there another problem?
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

Pictures would help if they show what is hooked to what.... a paper sketch would help...

If the S1 and 2 are switched the cart will fun F for R and R for F ....
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Can you get a top view oF the solenoid?
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Now look at the solenoid:

At the small posts:

The left red wire goes to B- on the Alltrax controller.
this wire brings the neg half of the activation circuit TO the solenoid There should only be one wire on this terminal

The right red wires go to the positive battery terminal for the keyswitch This wire needs to be a switched positive to activate the solenoid and the PB-6 microswitch that is wired in series with the F/R switch.
Anything else that you have on this terminal will only be getting power when the key is on ... like the throttle indicator. What all else is connected here?

An interesting note is that I found another Alltrax diagram that shows M- from the controller going directly to A2. I'm wondering if I have M- and A2 on the F/R switch reversed, or is there another problem?
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

hey have we checked the PB-6 output?
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Unread 07-23-2009, 03:04 PM   #17
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

Now look at the solenoid:

At the small posts:

The left red wire goes to B- on the Alltrax controller.
this wire brings the neg half of the activation circuit TO the solenoid There should only be one wire on this terminal.

There is only 1 wire connected here, other than the diode. The Alltrax schematic shows a small wire connection from B- to the secondary side of the solenoid.

The right red wires go to the positive battery terminal for the keyswitch This wire needs to be a switched positive to activate the solenoid and the PB-6 microswitch that is wired in series with the F/R switch.
Anything else that you have on this terminal will only be getting power when the key is on ... like the throttle indicator. What all else is connected here?

The keyswitch is the switched positive that activates the F/R micro, the PB-6 micro, and then back to the primary side of the solenoid so that the solenoid activates only when all 3 are engaged.

Dumb question: look at the picture of the F/R switch. There are metal brackets connecting M-and A2 on the bottom and S2 and S1 on the top. This is how the switch came out of the box, so I used the brackets. Maybe this is causing the heated cables?
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

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Now look at the solenoid:

At the small posts:

The left red wire goes to B- on the Alltrax controller.
this wire brings the neg half of the activation circuit TO the solenoid There should only be one wire on this terminal.

There is only 1 wire connected here, other than the diode. The Alltrax schematic shows a small wire connection from B- to the secondary side of the solenoid.

The right red wires go to the positive battery terminal for the keyswitch This wire needs to be a switched positive to activate the solenoid and the PB-6 microswitch that is wired in series with the F/R switch.
Anything else that you have on this terminal will only be getting power when the key is on ... like the throttle indicator. What all else is connected here?

The keyswitch is the switched positive that activates the F/R micro, the PB-6 micro, and then back to the primary side of the solenoid so that the solenoid activates only when all 3 are engaged.

Dumb question: look at the picture of the F/R switch. There are metal brackets connecting M-and A2 on the bottom and S2 and S1 on the top. This is how the switch came out of the box, so I used the brackets. Maybe this is causing the heated cables?


I think you are onto something there. I am not positive but I am pretty sure there is no metal bar between the M- and A2 terminals. I am also pretty sure by looking at the wiring diagrams that the other one shouldn't be there either but again...im not positive. Hopefully someone here willl know for sure, or take them out and see what happens.
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Unread 07-23-2009, 07:50 PM   #19
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UPDATE:

After MUCH frustration and a lot of phone calls between Alltrax and the vendor who I purchased the switch from, we have come to a mutual conclusion:

The F/R Switch shown in the picture is NOT applicable to V-glide to Controller conversions (even though many vendors advertise that it is).
The metal bars on the backside cause a direct short between the lugs. And, there is not a way that we know of to provide the connections required to power the controller and motor field connections.

Here's the explanation of how a correctly wired controller circuit works, as explained to me by a techie at Alltrax:

B+ on the Controller connects into the Motor at A1. The circuit then goes thru A1 internal to the motor and exits A2. From there it goes to the F/R switch. Turning the F/R switch one way provides a connection to S1 on the switch. It then exits the F/R switch at M- and goes to M- at the Controller. Turning the F/R switch the other way provides a connection to S2 on the switch. It then exits the F/R switch at M- and goes to M- at the Controller.

I took out this switch and re-installed the original F/R switch. The original switch has 5 lugs, not 4. The extra lug is on the right side and goes horizontally across the entire top so that it can contact either S1 or S2.. I wired M- to this. I then jumpered A2 to the bottom 2 lugs. Finally, I installed S2 and S1 on their respective rotating lugs. I used a voltmeter and found that I had continuity between S1, M-, and A2 in one direction and S2, M-, and A2 in the other direction. I then hooked up the power and EVERYTHiNG WORKED! I **** near cried tears of joy

I then did a quick tie-wrapping of cables and took it for a ride. It reaches top speed much more quickly and has a LOT of torque. That's just what I wanted.

The conversion turned out nice. I will post pictures of everything soon...

Special thanks to oxfordlawn and scottyb for helping me get on the right track with things.
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Default Re: HELP! Need advice with wiring a 36V Controller/HD Solenoid upgrade!!!!!!

I was in the middle of posting a suggestion to try the old F&R cuz that looked wrong when My keyboard took a chit !!! I am so glad you got it figured out. I don't feel like such a dummy now
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