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Unread 11-14-2010, 07:13 PM   #11
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been there done that....... here's the persisting problem with Ebay in regards to manufacturing cables. The cheapest ingredients gets you the cheapest price sort of speak. That's why I'm asking the pros.
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Unread 11-14-2010, 09:26 PM   #12
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Easy... i just installed 2 Ga. on my cart. Bought the cable at the welding store (20ft). they also had the cable ends (14?-cheap). i bought a cable crimper from ebay(one of my best buys ever). shrink tubing from electric store (1-$1.). 1 wire at a time and a couple beverages....maybe an hour tops alot of fun..
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Unread 11-14-2010, 09:43 PM   #13
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Easy... i just installed 2 Ga. on my cart. Bought the cable at the welding store (20ft). they also had the cable ends (14?-cheap). i bought a cable crimper from ebay(one of my best buys ever). shrink tubing from electric store (1-$1.). 1 wire at a time and a couple beverages....maybe an hour tops alot of fun..


That is a nice tubing crimper = $130 on ebay plus $18 shipping. 20 Ft of #2 had to be $2.50 ft and ends .50 so by my calculations you have $200 in the crimped set you made.... Nice but not cheap?
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Unread 11-14-2010, 09:51 PM   #14
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Scotty, I think he paid $70 for that crimper...
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... that's better The picture he posted, I couldn't find it for less than $130
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Unread 11-14-2010, 10:01 PM   #16
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Scotty,
http://www.harborfreight.com/hydraul...ool-66150.html

They usually run them on sale for right at $50.
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Unread 11-14-2010, 10:08 PM   #17
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Okay that's not the 12 ton shown ... I get it... anyway That still looks like a pretty good crimper....but I'm a solid connection guy. ... solid is corrosion proof.
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Unread 11-14-2010, 10:17 PM   #18
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marine tinned copper cable would be more corrosion resistant then standard copper right?
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Unread 11-14-2010, 10:20 PM   #19
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Tinning is usually done with silver. So the answer to your question would be yes.
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Unread 11-14-2010, 11:31 PM   #20
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As a Industrial 'lectrical tech for the last 32+ yrs, i would say if you can get welding cable and can use crimp lugs,that would be the best way to go IMO.

Tinning/soldering lugs on something pulling what carts do, along with bouncing/vibration etc., can tend to give you problems later on IMO. Yes I solder on welding stingers for welders @ work, but IF the lugs we use on carts were anything close to what the screw on connectors for welding stingers are, i might change my opinion.

Luckily i have ummm, access to #4 and #2 welding cable and use a $3500 battery crimping gun prob on a daily basis,(and have/use hyd.crimpers for cable the size of our steering columns) you can guess what my cart will be having soon . Plus the plan is to use die-electric paste on the lug end of the cable b4 i crimp lugs on.(Just enuf to coat the bare cable lightly, not really for conductivity, more for corrosion resistance in the future .)

I work with upwards of 138,000K volts @ work (we take incoming powerline stuff, 13.8v's and xformer it up to use in molten steel proccessing/increasing temps of same ) and other than stinger leads and our Instrument guys working on <110 volt stuff, most everything else we use is crimped on termination. Think of it as being held tightly in the splice/lug, vs. something just soldered on to hold things.

Our screw connect ends are close ended, meaning we hold one open end up in a vise,flux both the connector and the bare end of the cable,melt solder in the connector (about 1/2 way full ) insert the bare end on the weld cable and cool it. Think of that being encased in solder and not just "soldered " on.

IF i was to locate those same kind of lugs for my cart, then i would probably go that route instead of a crimp lug.

I'm in no way saying one way is wrong and one way is right, just wanted to share a lil on what i know and have worked with over the years.Trust me, i have no desire to fix anything I made or repaired, either within a short time after the initial time,or in the middle of the night and/or outside in -10 degs temps, so we all have learned what works the best for us @work.

FWIW: we had a Taylor Dunn and some ex-mine use buggy/cart(forget the the brand name), both batt.carts,and shortly after having them in service we replaced ALL the cables on both of them,since the factory connections did not last long.Those cables lasted for 2 batt. set changes,and on the "heavier than a car" mining buggy, they looked like new after we had to scrap what was left of the buggy after 15 yrs.
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