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Unread 06-22-2011, 01:52 PM   #1
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Default Raptor or Bad Boy for Club Car Series

I'm a newbie and recently bought a 2000.5 Club Car series cart. Just upgraded to:
- Alltrax 4855 (500A)
- 2 gauge cables
- HD F/R switch
- HD solenoid

Got it running and saw some better uphill speed, but not as much as I want. Kind of expected this but didn't want to drop $ on the motor if I didn't need to. Now I am firm on a new motor (I've got the fever) and narrowed down to the Raptor or the Bad Boy. Open to D&D and PQ (or other) options but just haven't done as much research there yet.

First, a little more about the cart:
- 48V - batteries are about a year old, not the best brand, but ingreat shape and tested out fine
- New tires are Lo Pro 235/35/12s on new 13 inch rims (19" total diameter)
- Not lifted, but admit I'm a rookie here so I'm posting a couple pics because the underside looks awfully clean so I think the previous owner did some work???
- Don't want to lift it if possible (like to the lo pro look)
- Will be adding a rear seat and need to be able to haul two adults and three fairly young kids (in process of adding HD rear 4 leaf springs as I get a little tire rub with three adults on it)

Now, here's my objectives and use:
- Will drive exclusively on roads in a community
- 20-25 mph on flats (faster would only be trouble, require brake upgrade for sure, etc.)
- Community is mostly hills and would like solid speed for those (biggest point) - not sure what a reasonable target is for hills, but 15-20, not 8-10 as a ballpark?? Hills mostly average (not small inclines but only one really steep hill we won't use much)
- 90% of the time use will be a 3-4 minute ride to the store, community pool, a neighbor's house, etc., and back
- No towing or off-roading expected (city living

Done some research on this great site so I'll summarize my take on these two motors to not drive you guys nuts repeating, but some threads are a bit dated, so I wanted to resurface the discussion to validate my understanding and to see what the latest thinking is
- Raptor is a 36V "speed" motor but since I am putting it in my 48V cart, I will get some solid torque improvements, as well
- Bad Boy is a 48V "speed and torque" motor - probably a little more speed but only a bit more torque since I would put the 36V Raptor in a 48V cart
- Raptor appears to be at least $100 less, in general. Would prefer to spend less, but definitely would pay the extra given the total cost here if justified.
- Raptor is an amp hog - I like cranking my stereo and am a little concerned about reports the Raptor will pull enough amps to temporarily shut the radio off when the cart is floored - interested if this is all the time vs some of the time, how long it shuts off, and whether the Bad Boy does the same since it appraently pulls some pretty good amps, too
- Besides shortening the run time and I assume the battery life, are there any other negatives to being an "amp hog"?
- Not sure if my new Alltrax 4855 works better with one or the other motor in some way??

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Unread 06-22-2011, 03:25 PM   #2
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Default Re: Raptor or Bad Boy for Club Car Series

Hey Kellerjam
I GPS'd mine going uphill after you asked about this the last time and got 18.5 mph going up the hill (not that steep a hill), it was still climbing but I ran out of road. It appears that no matter what you do there is speed loss on the hills. The motor that I put in mine is a PQ and the only regret that I have is that I didn't get the bigger motor. I'll swap them out next spring but if I had it to do over I would still go with PQ and I would go with the bigger motor. Having said that...I need to say this, I decided on PQ because of what I read here on this site and how they treated me during my many phone calls as I was making my decision. I never researched any other motors. Oh and I finally took the top off of mine last weekend...New windshield and bars will be here in a few days
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Unread 06-22-2011, 03:36 PM   #3
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If your radio is anything like mine, it won't come back on by itself. I have stock everything and my radio is currently wired into the 12v coming off the 4th battery, along with the light kit, and we have seen the radio get killed on a few rare occasions. We have to reach down and push the SRC button to turn it back on. It doesn't happen often enough to be a real nuisance, however. What is the nuisance is not having enough power long enough at night to enjoy the radio and run the lights for very long. So, I'm going to be running my accessories to a dedicated, separate battery I will put in a battery box in my bag well under the rear seat. If you do something similar, you won't have to worry about any drain related to the cart operation killing your radio.
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Unread 06-22-2011, 03:42 PM   #4
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Nice, I think you'll like it topless - I am definitely keeping it this way myself.

18.5 up a decent hill would be just fine for what I need. I'll call PQ - just curious, though, what would you consider a "bigger" motor - i.e., what did you get and what do you think you'd get if you could do it again?

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I GPS'd mine going uphill after you asked about this the last time and got 18.5 mph going up the hill (not that steep a hill), it was still climbing but I ran out of road. It appears that no matter what you do there is speed loss on the hills. The motor that I put in mine is a PQ and the only regret that I have is that I didn't get the bigger motor. I'll swap them out next spring but if I had it to do over I would still go with PQ and I would go with the bigger motor. Having said that...I need to say this, I decided on PQ because of what I read here on this site and how they treated me during my many phone calls as I was making my decision. I never researched any other motors. Oh and I finally took the top off of mine last weekend...New windshield and bars will be here in a few days
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Unread 06-22-2011, 03:47 PM   #5
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Thanks for the feedback. Realized I forgot to mention the radio and lights are hooked up to a converter. Even now, when I flip the lights on (I rarely use the lights so far), the radio basically "resets" but does it on its own (turns back on) and only interrupts music for a few seconds, which I could live with unless it happens frequently, like ervytime time I hit the floor. Anyone know if I should expect the same type of behavior?

I also may just buy a little lawn mower battery or something like what you are doing which is a reasonable back up plan. I guess I'm first trying to figure out if there would be a difference between motors that, most other things being equal, would push me one way or the other to avoid the extra step.

Thanks for your insight - appreciate it!

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If your radio is anything like mine, it won't come back on by itself. I have stock everything and my radio is currently wired into the 12v coming off the 4th battery, along with the light kit, and we have seen the radio get killed on a few rare occasions. We have to reach down and push the SRC button to turn it back on. It doesn't happen often enough to be a real nuisance, however. What is the nuisance is not having enough power long enough at night to enjoy the radio and run the lights for very long. So, I'm going to be running my accessories to a dedicated, separate battery I will put in a battery box in my bag well under the rear seat. If you do something similar, you won't have to worry about any drain related to the cart operation killing your radio.
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Kellerjam
If I had it to do over I would have gone with the largest motor that PQ offered. I went with the 2nd largest motor...it's red but I couldn't find it on their site a few minutes ago when I looked there. I'll pull the paperwork on it when I get home and let you know.

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Unread 06-22-2011, 06:39 PM   #7
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Did I read your post wrong about your new tires? 235/35R12's on 13 inch rims?
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Unread 06-22-2011, 07:17 PM   #8
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Maybe I'm more accurate is I said tires are 225/35/12 EFX Lo Pros and total diameter is 19" measured...
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No specific Bad Boy vs Raptor feedback out there? Or just nothing new from previous threads? Would like to pull the trigger by tomorrow...
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Could be that no one who has read this thread has had any experience with them. Give Scottyb a call and discuss it over the phone to speed things along
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