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Unread 03-08-2012, 08:04 PM   #11
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Really???

I have had no problems with my 2004 Precedent!

Nothing wrong with either in my opinion.
The list would scare you! Ex Club Car Tech...10yrs
Pedal Assemblies
Rear Springs
Onboard Charging Computers
The 12v battery problem
The typhoon drains in the tops
360 Bumpers with out sufficient UV protectent
Factory front seat bottoms
The list keeps going........
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Unread 03-08-2012, 08:13 PM   #12
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The list would scare you! Ex Club Car Tech...10yrs
Pedal Assemblies
Rear Springs
Onboard Charging Computers
The 12v battery problem
The typhoon drains in the tops
360 Bumpers with out sufficient UV protectent
Factory front seat bottoms
The list keeps going........
Please. Educate me, but first I'll offer my opinion....

I've been working on Club Cars every day for 11 years so I've been around 1 or two. Since you're an ex tech you must have been gone for a while. Lots of things have changed since you left. I'll address them one by one.

Pedal Assemblies, The early ones had issues with corrosion, but don't DS cars have the same issues? I've seen plenty of seized pedals underneath them. Maybe more considering they're exposed to the elements.

Rear springs... You'll have to elaborate on this one. I've never seen one break or bend.

On-Board computers... The on-board computer is programmed with the same software no matter what vehicle it goes in, Precedent, or DS... You can't isolate one particular vehicle for that. Sure there were some problems with OBCs when the 12 Volt batteries came out but that also applied to both vehicles.

The 12 volt batteries were definitely a problem. I'll give you that without a doubt. I changed 80 of them today. Club Car used them in the Precedent for 5 years and in the DS for 4 years. 12 volt batteries are no longer used in either vehicle and the problems are gone. 12 Volt batteries were also used in both vehicles.

The "Monsoon" drains in the top were replaced broke in early models. This was fixed in 2007 when the Canopy became solid where the top mounts onto the rear struts. They don't break anymore. But there's a repair kit offered for the early cars. A Plastic insert that will repair a broken top. About 10 bucks.

The 360 bumpers are plastic, yes they will fade. Any plastic will. But spray paint is cheap. However, the material is not the same as it was in earlier models and is MUCH better than it used to be.

Factory seat bottoms were a problem where they were glued. They've since been replaced with wooden bottoms. No glue.

I'm ready for the rest of the list now.
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Unread 03-08-2012, 10:29 PM   #13
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Deal is done!

Picking it up tomorrow morning. Pics to follow.

Let the fun begin!
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Unread 03-09-2012, 05:55 AM   #14
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The list would scare you! Ex Club Car Tech...10yrs
Pedal Assemblies
Rear Springs
Onboard Charging Computers
The 12v battery problem
The typhoon drains in the tops
360 Bumpers with out sufficient UV protectent
Factory front seat bottoms
The list keeps going........
Bluestone If I were U,I would back off.
Don't tangle with TD,he will leave U for dead.
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Unread 03-09-2012, 07:25 AM   #15
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Bluestone If I were U,I would back off.
Don't tangle with TD,he will leave U for dead.
Why because everything I mentioned has been a problem and the computers are still. He works for Club Car of Course he says everything is fixed. lol... I know they are still a problem look at the list of part numbers for the obc for the precedent and you tell. I know of several courses in my area that the whole fleets are being replaced and its not the first time. The ds cars are bullit proof. Oh and by the way yes the springs do break, the a arms bend like hell especially on any courses with with rough cart paths. I just giving a guy some advice on which car to buy. I know the Precedent doesn't have all the problems I'm reffering to in everyday personel use but fleet apps, they suck. Club Car I would pick over any car on any given day but the pecedent has been a huge problem. I have to get to work at GM R and D.
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Deal is done!

Picking it up tomorrow morning. Pics to follow.

Let the fun begin!
Awesome. Post pics!
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Deal is done!

Picking it up tomorrow morning. Pics to follow.

Let the fun begin!
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Why because everything I mentioned has been a problem and the computers are still. He works for Club Car of Course he says everything is fixed. lol... I know they are still a problem look at the list of part numbers for the obc for the precedent and you tell. I know of several courses in my area that the whole fleets are being replaced and its not the first time. The ds cars are bullit proof. Oh and by the way yes the springs do break, the a arms bend like hell especially on any courses with with rough cart paths. I just giving a guy some advice on which car to buy. I know the Precedent doesn't have all the problems I'm reffering to in everyday personel use but fleet apps, they suck. Club Car I would pick over any car on any given day but the pecedent has been a huge problem. I have to get to work at GM R and D.
I don't work for Club Car. I work for a dealership. Evidently what I said to you didn't sink in. The computers you claim to be such a problem are the "SAME" on both vehicles. Take a look at them. Same version OBCs were used in the same year cars with the same electrical systems and have been ever since the 12 Volt batteries were introduced in the DS cars in 2006. Yes the A-Arms do bend, when the car is WRECKED. Tell me what you'd rather do. Take 5 minutes to replace an A arm on a Precedent or take an hour to remove a DS cowl, disassemble the front end, replace shock tower, A-Arm, and inner rack ball joint. You have fun repairing your fleet DS cars, an hour at a time. I'll have 10 Precedents fixed in that amount of time. The suspension is engineered to bend under impact. That's right, the cheap A-Arms bend and absorb the impact to prevent more expensive components from taking the damage, such as the main frame itself. Club Car used to have an empoloyee at their service department who did nothing but straighten frames all day with a hydraulic ram. He's no longer employeed because that position no longer exists. If you buy that crap the cart boys tell you about the A-Arms bending because of their rough terrain then maybe you should be a cart boy. As for the rear springs I'm gonna call it like I see it... "BullS*it) Never have I ever seen one break. These are NOT a problem. By the way, welcome to BGW and thanks for your advice. Maybe someone will get some use out of it but it doesn't mean a thing to someone like myself who spends 40 hours a week around these things and knows them inside out and backwards. Have a good day.
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I know they are still a problem look at the list of part numbers for the obc for the precedent and you tell. I know of several courses in my area that the whole fleets are being replaced and its not the first time.
The reason there's so many part numbers for computers is because every battery manufacturer demands a different charging algorhythm. We've been through Trojan, Crown, US Battery, Johnson Controls, and now possibly back to Trojan. This does NOT denote an OBC design flaw.
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Unread 03-09-2012, 03:58 PM   #20
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Here are a few pics. Runs about 15mph per Iphone gps. Not sure how much charge the batteries have.

I will start a new thread when I start working on it.

Thanks!
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