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Unread 11-02-2013, 07:25 PM   #11
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Change the cables, all of them. What you are doing is like trying to ram a potato thru a drinking straw. It takes all the correct components working together to get performance.
Haha! That is clutch, nice. Will do and report back. Thx.
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Unread 11-03-2013, 08:38 AM   #12
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I like this example. But why would people, including those at Alltrax, tell me there should be a very noticeable difference?
When I had stock everything, except for a low torque Commander HS motor, I was doing ~28 MPH with okay torque. Then I decided to upgrade to 500 amps, big wires and solenoid and guess what? Still doing ~28 MPH and no difference in torque that I could tell. When I put in my PQ Executioner, then I noticed about twice the torque and more top end.

With that said, many people have said the Bandit alone gave them more torque and top speed compared to OEM. Like others have said, top speed is not really gonna change, but you should have gained more torque with what you have done. You need to make sure your settings are correct and your batts are up to par. Perhaps you could borrow a motor from a friend to see if there is any difference? I don't remember, but I thought the Bandit had about 20% more torque and about ~22 MPH compared to a stock? Also, how big are your tires? Large tires, as you know kill torque.
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Unread 11-03-2013, 08:59 AM   #13
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Top speed probably won't be affected but the torque certainly should be much better. You need to change the cables ASAP. What condition and age are the batteries? How do you have the programming set on the DCX500?
I missed this part....Doh! He is spot on, get those crappy old cables out ASAP. Call Scotty and have him make you some nice 2 AWG cables. He made mine and they are still working perfect. Well worth the extra $ for such a quality product. They don't even get warm when I have been riding for miles!!! Don't forget, change all the cables, not just the battery cables.
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When I had stock everything, except for a low torque Commander HS motor, I was doing ~28 MPH with okay torque. Then I decided to upgrade to 500 amps, big wires and solenoid and guess what? Still doing ~28 MPH and no difference in torque that I could tell. When I put in my PQ Executioner, then I noticed about twice the torque and more top end.

With that said, many people have said the Bandit alone gave them more torque and top speed compared to OEM. Like others have said, top speed is not really gonna change, but you should have gained more torque with what you have done. You need to make sure your settings are correct and your batts are up to par. Perhaps you could borrow a motor from a friend to see if there is any difference? I don't remember, but I thought the Bandit had about 20% more torque and about ~22 MPH compared to a stock? Also, how big are your tires? Large tires, as you know kill torque.
Thanks for the insight and sharing your info to compare. I have 12" wheels with low profile tires. How do you like the Executioner?
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I missed this part....Doh! He is spot on, get those crappy old cables out ASAP. Call Scotty and have him make you some nice 2 AWG cables. He made mine and they are still working perfect. Well worth the extra $ for such a quality product. They don't even get warm when I have been riding for miles!!! Don't forget, change all the cables, not just the battery cables.
Okay, I'll reach out to Scotty. Thx.
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Unread 11-03-2013, 11:06 AM   #16
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R U talking a Precedent? I think a Precedent with 500 amps and a PQ Executioner is about as fast as you would want a cart to be. No, it doesn't do burnouts, but it accelerates fast and has great top end. I was gonna put on some HS gears, but like I said before, after the taller tires, there is no need to. I think if my cart was any faster, it would be dangerous. I really need disk brakes and I'm gonna get them on soon. I'm talking about changing the rear drum brakes to disk. I can stop now, but there is brake fade and the disks should rectify that issue.

That motor didn't come cheap, though. I think I paid like $600 for it? Also, I tried to run it with the stock controller and it shuttered. It really needs at least 300 amps, but you have that covered with your Alltrax.

I also live and drive on flat FL roads and sidewalks. If I needed a motor for hills, it would not be what I have now. You have to sacrifice torque for speed and vice versa. You just can't have it both ways, unless you are running 700 amps with a torque motor paired with HS gears. Also, don't go cheap on your cables. Get the 2 AWG, you won't regret that. Good luck.
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R U talking a Precedent? I think a Precedent with 500 amps and a PQ Executioner is about as fast as you would want a cart to be. No, it doesn't do burnouts, but it accelerates fast and has great top end. I was gonna put on some HS gears, but like I said before, after the taller tires, there is no need to. I think if my cart was any faster, it would be dangerous. I really need disk brakes and I'm gonna get them on soon. I'm talking about changing the rear drum brakes to disk. I can stop now, but there is brake fade and the disks should rectify that issue.

That motor didn't come cheap, though. I think I paid like $600 for it? Also, I tried to run it with the stock controller and it shuttered. It really needs at least 300 amps, but you have that covered with your Alltrax.

I also live and drive on flat FL roads and sidewalks. If I needed a motor for hills, it would not be what I have now. You have to sacrifice torque for speed and vice versa. You just can't have it both ways, unless you are running 700 amps with a torque motor paired with HS gears. Also, don't go cheap on your cables. Get the 2 AWG, you won't regret that. Good luck.
Yes I am talking about a Precedent. Not much hill where I live in Southern CA. I really just use my cart to play golf and do occasional Starbucks runs I don't have a lift and the tires are DWT directional tires (very grippy), I think they are 20". I will for sure consider going to the Executioner. Does it provide more torque and greater top speed? 2AWG from ScottyB is next and the never ending build will go from there
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Yes I am talking about a Precedent. Not much hill where I live in Southern CA. I really just use my cart to play golf and do occasional Starbucks runs I don't have a lift and the tires are DWT directional tires (very grippy), I think they are 20". I will for sure consider going to the Executioner. Does it provide more torque and greater top speed? 2AWG from ScottyB is next and the never ending build will go from there
Yes, compared to a typical HS motor (~25MPH and low torque), the PQ Executioner will provide more torque and greater speed paired with 500 amps and HD electrics. At least that is my experience. I don't see how you could go wrong with that kind of setup. Ask Robby to give you the correct settings for your Alltrax. I use a Curtis and had to have FSIP in PA program it for me with Robby's guidance. I'm very happy with my choice and it's been a daily driver (5 days/week) for a year now with no issues.
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Yes, compared to a typical HS motor (~25MPH and low torque), the PQ Executioner will provide more torque and greater speed paired with 500 amps and HD electrics. At least that is my experience. I don't see how you could go wrong with that kind of setup. Ask Robby to give you the correct settings for your Alltrax. I use a Curtis and had to have FSIP in PA program it for me with Robby's guidance. I'm very happy with my choice and it's been a daily driver (5 days/week) for a year now with no issues.
Thanks, I'll reach out to the Robby at PQ to see what settings he recommends for my current set up with the Bandit as well. Also, ordered my 2AWG cables and a Volt reader from ScottyB this morning. Should have it all in this weekend and will post my results. Stevec3201 you are running the set up I am headed towards!
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So just giving an update. First and foremost want to give a shout out to the guys at Alltrax, they have been very helpful on helping me diagnose.

Secondly, installed ScottyBs 2GA cable this AM. Super high quality and a great chart to explain. After the install I noticed a little better acceleration and a couple more MPH on the flat putting me in the 23-25 range.

I also got in touch with Alltrax on my settings for the controller. I am at throttle up of 7, throttle down at a 3, turbo and inductive curve. The acceleration from 0-5mph is very strong with a lot of torque but after that I don't notice much difference from the prior set up. I for sure had some jerkiness in the acceleration which I assumed was my MCOR after reading everything on this site. After sending Alltrax a log of the cart running (part of their app) they were able to confirm that I am getting 100% throttle but on the way there the throttle is jumping around. So I am going to order a new MCOR and hopefully fix the smoothness in acceleration and maybe get some better overall torque.

Probably going to be ordering an Executioner as well I'll keep the updates coming to help a future reader see this process and results, step by step.
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