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Old 02-27-2018, 10:16 PM   #1
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Does running your cart at full speed vs. running it about 3/4 cause you to get less distance/lower miles on a charge? It seems when I go full out the meter drops faster than when I go about 3/4 over the same mileage
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:02 AM   #2
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Does running your cart at full speed vs. running it about 3/4 cause you to get less distance/lower miles on a charge? It seems when I go full out the meter drops faster than when I go about 3/4 over the same mileage
YES.....because when you are running FULL THROTTLE you are using more "juice" per mile. so if you were to run at 3/4 throttle over the same distance you would have more left in "the tank" (your batteries).
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Old 02-28-2018, 07:31 AM   #3
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I don’t think that is correct. Amperage is inversely proportional to motor RPM. So your motor pulls the highest amps under load at 1 rpm.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:02 AM   #4
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We're all waiting for ... JohnnieB !! He'll set us straight.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:47 AM   #5
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Running at full throttle will use less amperage than slower speeds if everything is working as it should be in your cart.
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Old 02-28-2018, 11:22 AM   #6
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An electric cart gets better range at less than top speed for several reasons.

Mechanical drag (wind resistance, rolling resistance, etc.) increases as speed increases. Carts have the aerodynamics of a barn.

Motor efficiency is less at both the low and high ends of the RPM spectrum. There may be up to about 20% difference in efficiency between mid range and top end RPM.

Amps = torque and motor amps exceed battery amps when the PMW output from the controller is less than 100% duty cycle. This is due to the flywheel effect when pulsed DC is being fed to the motor.

The sweet spot will vary from cart to cart, but getting the best range is driving at something less than top speed and 100% throttle.
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Old 02-28-2018, 01:02 PM   #7
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An electric cart gets better range at less than top speed for several reasons.

Mechanical drag (wind resistance, rolling resistance, etc.) increases as speed increases. Carts have the aerodynamics of a barn.

Motor efficiency is less at both the low and high ends of the RPM spectrum. There may be up to about 20% difference in efficiency between mid range and top end RPM.

Amps = torque and motor amps exceed battery amps when the PMW output from the controller is less than 100% duty cycle. This is due to the flywheel effect when pulsed DC is being fed to the motor.

The sweet spot will vary from cart to cart, but getting the best range is driving at something less than top speed and 100% throttle.
Thanks Johnnie.....I knew I wasn't crazy.....at least about this specific subject anyway! LOL
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Old 02-28-2018, 08:14 PM   #8
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Thanks Johnnie.....I knew I wasn't crazy.....at least about this specific subject anyway! LOL
Jury is still out on that!!!!

The devil is in the details and you can go crazy trying to figure out some of this stuff.
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Old 02-28-2018, 09:49 PM   #9
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To have a comprehensive discussion on this subject we would need specifics. I think it is not right to assume that if you are driving slower you are automatically consuming less amperage. There are plenty of log files that show the opposite.
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1. To have a comprehensive discussion on this subject we would need specifics.
2. I think it is not right to assume that if you are driving slower you are automatically consuming less amperage.
3. There are plenty of log files that show the opposite.
1. I agree. I was responding to the specific situation stated by the OP.

2. I agree. However, how many yards the cart travels per amp consumed depends (in part) on what percentage of that amp passing through the motor is converted to motion vs the percentage converted to heat.

3. I agree. In general terms, the higher the RPM the less the amp flow. Especially true for series motors, but not so much for sepex motors.


The attached graph is for generic brush type DC motors and shows how the various factors overlap.
Blue line = RPM vs Torque
Red line = RPM vs Amps
Green line = Efficiency (ratio of motion to heat produce per amp)
Brown line = HP produced
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