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Unread 08-30-2013, 09:37 PM   #1
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Default Western 400 42v charge numbers

Hey guys,

I searched for a while looking for the exact numbers to a full charge on my western 400 42v.

I am estimating that a full charge is 6.35 (1 6v battery) x7(batteries)=44.45

and 90% is 40.00. (multiplied 44.45x.90). Am I on the right track?
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Unread 08-30-2013, 09:46 PM   #2
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I am sure that JohnnieB will be in sooner or later, as he runs a 42v cart, and he can give you the EXACT numbers you should be looking at.
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Unread 08-30-2013, 11:14 PM   #3
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You are close to correct on the 100% voltage, but "90% SOC" is NOT 90% of the "100% SOC"! 6.37v per batt is 100%.......6.05v is 50%.....you NEVER want to take your pack below 50%! Actually you don't want to take it below 70% for the best "longevity" of your pack......

See JohnnyB's chart below:
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Unread 08-31-2013, 06:41 AM   #4
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Hey guys,

I searched for a while looking for the exact numbers to a full charge on my western 400 42v.

I am estimating that a full charge is 6.35 (1 6v battery) x7(batteries)=44.45

and 90% is 40.00. (multiplied 44.45x.90). Am I on the right track?
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Getting the "exact" numbers is more or less an exercise in futility since a deep-cycle lead-acid wet-cell battery isn't fully charged until the Specific Gravity (SG) of the electrolyte ceases to increase while a charging current is passing through it.

When you add 0.845 to the cell's SG, you get VPC (Volts per Cell), so voltage can be used to estimate SoC (State of Charge), but it takes time for the electrolyte's SG to reach an equilibrium after charging or discharging, so to get a reasonable accurate SoC estimate the voltage must be measured about 12 hours after charging or about half an hour after discharging.

Since slight variations during manufacturing do occur, the voltage of adjacent cells in the same battery may vary slightly when "fully" charged.
Then you have to toss in the fact that different battery manufacturers use different acid concentrations (SG) in their batteries.

The Voltage vs SoC charts typically use test data from the Trojan Battery company, which is an average of hundreds of test conducted on hundreds of batteries. The voltages for other brand batteries may be slightly higher, but I'm not aware of any that would be lower since Trojan uses the lowest acid concentration typically used for this type battery.

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I'm curious. What is your reason for wanting to find out the "exact numbers to a full charge"?
I ask because there are three separate sets of numbers. On-Charge, Under-Load and At-Rest, and each set is used in different ways.

Are you are trying to determine how high of a voltage to charge your batteries to, to get a "full" charge?
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Unread 08-31-2013, 12:49 PM   #6
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Thanks!
I saved the attachment and printed it. I plan on purchasing a digital voltmeter, and want to monitor my carts volts during use. I want to make sure the batteries never go below the 50% SoC. My batteries are a little old, but still kicking. I don't want to push them too hard right now, want them to last a few months until I get a new pack.
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Update with a question: I got a multimeter today and charged the pack fully. After getting ready to put it away I checked the pack and the voltage was 38.6!

So basically my batteries are beyond weak??
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looks like u didnt check the pack right that looks like u only checked 6 batts not 7
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I removed the original Curtis voltmeter and used the red and blue wires to test.
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Unread 09-15-2013, 12:43 AM   #10
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You might get a better reading at the pack. there are only 2 battery cables on the battery pack that do not go from battery to battery = these 2 are the main + and -. Check voltage between these 2 posts.
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