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Old 10-11-2013, 09:22 AM   #1
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Default Brakes - Stock, Ausco, Wheelsca - I have had all three

I just wanted to add my two cents on brake systems. I have two carts, one Club Car DS and One EZGO TXT both 48 volts, both with 500 amp controllers and both with high speed motors. They are not lifted, but are fixed up pretty nice. They both run 25-30 mph depending on conditions.

The stock brakes had to go, so I put Auscos mechanical disks both carts.

Now having both brands I am acutely aware of the pros and cons of both carts. The brake cable system on the Club Car is a much better design and delivers equal pressure, so when I went to the Auscos on the Club Car, everything was greatly improved, I would say about a 100% increase in performance.

The EZGO... I have worked on 100s of EZGOs and every TXT brake cable system tends to have a bias towards un-even brake pressure, as the passenger side tends to apply more pressure than the drivers side... Just look at your brake cables equalizer, and you will see this, odds are your equalizer will not be straight the passenger side will be towards the rear of the cart indicating that it has more pressure when braking. Again, this is on every TXT I have seen.

This condition makes the stock brakes crappy at best, especially if you have upgraded your performance.

So next I went to Ausco disks, braking was much improved but not as improved as the Club Car and I had to continue to try and get the left and right sides to equalize. The Club Car while mechanical was applying equal pressure to both brakes, but not the EZGO. Now some people might say my cables were stretched, and that is why I had the problems, well that is not true, I went through two sets of new cables to try and address the un-even brake pressure and no luck. So my thoughts on Auscos, for the EZGO are good, but due to the crappy cable setup of the TXT the Auscos can only do so much if you are only braking with 1 to 1.5 brakes.

The other issue is that the Auscos are not self adjusting, meaning that on either cart, you will have to take slack out of the cable at the adjuster as the brakes wear, not a big deal, only takes 5 mins.

Reaching my frustration point with the EZGO (not at fault of the Ausco) I parked it and would not let my daughter drive it until I could put on a Wheelsca Hydraulic rear kit.

Well I finally got the Wheelsca Kit installed on the EZGO. First, this kit is complete quality, better craftsmanship than the Auscos and it should be for the price.

Going to Hydraulic rear breaks has made this car a joy to drive, there is no more un-equal pressure, no cables to fiddle with and no manual adjustments to be made. And best of all.... The **** thing stops! And it stops better than the Club Car that does NOT have cable issues and has the Auscos.

I know it is a big leap in cost to go to hydraulics, but let me tell you, you will be so pleased, the Wheelsca kit is about $200-$230 more than Auscos depending on what price you find the Auscos at but it is so worth the wait. And the nice thing is, on the EZGO, you get rid of that stupid brake spring and crappy cable setup. The pedal is now smooth as silk or butter, there is no effort, it is truly car like braking.

So in summary, I just wanted to share my experience since I have had all three brake styles on one cart.

To Recap -
Club Car Auscos - 100% improvement over stock drums.
Ezgo TXT Auscos - 50-75% impreovement over stock drums (limited by Cables setup)
Ezgo TXT Wheelsca Rear Hydraulics - 200% better than Auscos, 300% better than stock.

Hope this helps.
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: Brakes - Stock, Ausco, Wheelsca - I have had all three

Great post! I installed the AUSCOs on my 95 TXT platform Western and the seller and I missed the detail about my wire wheels not accepting them without an extension. I like my tires inside the wheel-well. The good news is that I missed discovering the problem you described, so I will now be looking at the hydraulic discs if and when I decide to change my wheels. I know nothing about the hydraulic breaks as I avoided them for cost reasons and installation challenges. I did the complete AUSCO installation before I discovered the wheel issue. Do you think I am now ready/capable of the more complex hydraulic install? Time wise, how much longer to do the hydraulics?
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Old 10-11-2013, 09:51 AM   #3
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Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to post your experiences. This is timely for me as I'm about to jump to 48v and was thinking about the brakes also.
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:52 AM   #4
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Default Re: Brakes - Stock, Ausco, Wheelsca - I have had all three

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To Recap -
Club Car Auscos - 100% improvement over stock drums.
Ezgo TXT Auscos - 50-75% impreovement over stock drums (limited by Cables setup)
Ezgo TXT Wheelsca Rear Hydraulics - 200% better than Auscos, 300% better than stock.

Hope this helps.

I see only one fault here in your comparison. You are in all cases comparing a new product to the stock, used, old drum brakes. To be absolutely fair you would have to make the drum brake setups new also to get a better comparison.

I have a ezgo txt with stock drum brakes, my cart does 36+ mph and I can stop rather well, very acceptable. I have used ausco mechanical brakes before (didn't like them due to squeal) and jakes hyd from disc brakes on a lifted txt (required huge pedal effort, very un-car like).
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:11 AM   #5
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I see only one fault here in your comparison. You are in all cases comparing a new product to the stock, used, old drum brakes. To be absolutely fair you would have to make the drum brake setups new also to get a better comparison.

I have a ezgo txt with stock drum brakes, my cart does 36+ mph and I can stop rather well, very acceptable. I have used ausco mechanical brakes before (didn't like them due to squeal) and jakes hyd from disc brakes on a lifted txt (required huge pedal effort, very un-car like).
This absolutely not true, as I had new drums and pads on this cart with new cables from the day I rebuilt it. So my comparisons to Stock are from a new standpoint. I have also had new drums and pads on the Club Car several times.

And you are right, I forgot to add the Ausco's squealed pretty bad on the EZGO, not so much on the Club Car and I did apply Dry Moly Lube to the slides on both carts.
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Old 10-11-2013, 11:27 AM   #6
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I see only one fault here in your comparison. You are in all cases comparing a new product to the stock, used, old drum brakes. To be absolutely fair you would have to make the drum brake setups new also to get a better comparison.

I have a ezgo txt with stock drum brakes, my cart does 36+ mph and I can stop rather well, very acceptable. I have used ausco mechanical brakes before (didn't like them due to squeal) and jakes hyd from disc brakes on a lifted txt (required huge pedal effort, very un-car like).
if you had hyd brakes that required huge pedal effort, then there was a problem with the system, air in lines, leak somewhere or something, a properly working hyd system is leaps and bounds better than all other types

also, most of the aftermarket hyd systems require a power bleeder to get them right, at least all the wheels ca kits, for some reason its just hard to manually bleed them out.
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This absolutely not true, as I had new drums and pads on this cart with new cables from the day I rebuilt it. So my comparisons to Stock are from a new standpoint.

And you are right, I forgot to add the Ausco's squealed pretty bad on the EZGO, not so much on the Club Car and I did apply Dry Moly Lube to the slides on both carts.
Understood, I just didn't see the complete condition description of your stock drum brakes. Usually people replace items when they are worn out or bad.
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if you had hyd brakes that required huge pedal effort, then there was a problem with the system, air in lines, leak somewhere or something, a properly working hyd system is leaps and bounds better than all other types

also, most of the aftermarket hyd systems require a power bleeder to get them right, at least all the wheels ca kits, for some reason its just hard to manually bleed them out.
Bleeding brakes is a pain no matter how you do it, in this case it took me about 45mins to an hour since it was a new dry system, I initially filled the system and got fluid to the calipers, addressed two leaks, then proceeded to use a MityVac vacuum pump to vacuum bleed the brakes, it would have been a total pain in the rears to not use the vacuum pump... I've done it both ways. The system is completely bubble free.... And to check for leaks and continued pressure, when I was done bleeding them I left it on the jack stands over night and through work the next day with the parking brake set (basically under pressure). So it sat under pressure for 18 hours after initial bleed, zero leaks, pedal still nice and smooth.
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if you had hyd brakes that required huge pedal effort, then there was a problem with the system, air in lines, leak somewhere or something, a properly working hyd system is leaps and bounds better than all other types

also, most of the aftermarket hyd systems require a power bleeder to get them right, at least all the wheels ca kits, for some reason its just hard to manually bleed them out.
Have you ever drove a car with manual brakes? They take a good amount of effort to stop. Modern cars use power assist brakes, night and day to manual.

Jakes front disc kit is manual brakes, no power there. On a txt with 23" tires with 500 lbs of aftermarket batteries, rear seat and other junk it takes good pedal effort to stop quick even with front disc. There was no air in the lines either as I had a normal, firm pedal.
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my point was you should not have to use more foot pressure going from cable to hyd, if you are having to stand on it, like the old manual cars, or at least you think that you are, there is a problem, so then there would me no reason to switch.
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