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Unread 11-01-2018, 11:21 PM   #1281
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Bob,

If one was to buy a non-oem Curtis controller to convert from a DC Motor to an AC Motor, such as a 1238E-7621, is there a benifit to having developer access?

Since there is no concern for oem warranty or other “non-authorized” changes, can the oem level 1314 pc station do all of the configuration needed?

Can you customize the vcl with an oem level access system?

If I decide to buy an AC controller and motor for my personal project, I would like to have access to modify it as I see fit. If Curtis does not want to grant access that is understandable, but it may mean their controller does not fit my personal use case. But if the oem level will allow acceptable settings modification, then it might be a good fit.

Just starting to dip my toe in the pond and have a lot to learn!
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Unread 11-02-2018, 07:04 AM   #1282
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Bob,

If one was to buy a non-oem Curtis controller to convert from a DC Motor to an AC Motor, such as a 1238E-7621, is there a benifit to having developer access?

Since there is no concern for oem warranty or other “non-authorized” changes, can the oem level 1314 pc station do all of the configuration needed?

Can you customize the vcl with an oem level access system?

If I decide to buy an AC controller and motor for my personal project, I would like to have access to modify it as I see fit. If Curtis does not want to grant access that is understandable, but it may mean their controller does not fit my personal use case. But if the oem level will allow acceptable settings modification, then it might be a good fit.

Just starting to dip my toe in the pond and have a lot to learn!
Without a VCL present, the new controller will have raw programming capabilities right from the start. Motor RPM limits of 12,000 RPM, your choice of throttle and braking types. Typically, you would need to set up your own VCL in order to get complex regenerative braking profiles developed. To do this, you would have to get someone at Curtis to give you a copy of WinVCL.

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Unread 11-02-2018, 07:35 PM   #1283
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When you say raw programming, does that mean I am responsible for the entire VCL, or it comes with a generic VCL where you set the options? Then for more complex programming you write code for specific functions desired?

Sorry to sound so noob, but well, I am a noobie.
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Unread 11-04-2018, 07:42 AM   #1284
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When you say raw programming, does that mean I am responsible for the entire VCL, or it comes with a generic VCL where you set the options? Then for more complex programming you write code for specific functions desired?

Sorry to sound so noob, but well, I am a noobie.
Correct, it has no VCL. If you want a VCL, you'll have to write it and compile it into the OS (Operating System) yourself. That is where the Curtis WinVCL program comes into play. We are spoiled by buying golf cart controllers that have already had VCLs incorporated within them. You do not have to have a VCL to operate a controller, but a VCL can allow new features to be defined.
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Unread 11-05-2018, 05:39 PM   #1285
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Sounds cool.

I was doing more research and it appears that HPEVs has written their own VCL and if you get one of their packages, it will already have a lot of the grunt work done.

Don't know if the OEM level would give enough control over changes or if developer level would be needed at that point.
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HPEVs does have their own VCL that is pretty intuitive. But it is designed to work with their accessories and displays. That drives your build cost up vs doing your own thing, if that is important to you.

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Unread 11-05-2018, 11:10 PM   #1287
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Cost is always a factor. I like nice stuff, just have a hard time letting go of the money to acquire them.

I also like to know what I am getting into before diving head first into the deep end.
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silver4ever, I agree 100%. I prefer to do my own thing rather than buying prepackaged EV "solutions". Not just for price, but for my own innovations. They denied us the tools, forcing us to either comply, or to hack our own way through the hurdles placed in our way. That is exactly what I told Curtis when they told us smaller OEMs that we had to seek support from their larger OEMs out there. I wanted to be my own "brand", not be a reseller of some other OEMs brands when it came to VCL solutions. When I was ignored, I chose to end my 15 year relationship with Curtis. They are probably still scratching their collective heads trying to figure out which OEM I was. It was not under this name... I tried to protect their interests while helping others to program their own controllers.

I speak from experience... This will not end well for Curtis! The more they tighten the grip, the less market share they will keep for themselves. Other controller manufacturers that will work with the smaller OEMs and end customers will win out in the end.

This is exactly what happened when another large manufacturer (Motorola) tried holding tightly onto the programming abilities of their products. They are no longer the major market share in their industry. Other manufacturers made 2 way radios that were less expensive, easy to program, and Motorola became an importer of foreign made equipment. No better that their competitors.

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silver4ever, I agree 100%. I prefer to do my own thing rather than buying prepackaged EV "solutions". Not just for price, but for my own innovations. They denied us the tools, forcing us to either comply, or to hack our own way through the hurdles placed in our way. That is exactly what I told Curtis when they told us smaller OEMs that we had to seek support from their larger OEMs out there. I wanted to be my own "brand", not be a reseller of some other OEMs brands when it came to VCL solutions. When I was ignored, I chose to end my 15 year relationship with Curtis. They are probably still scratching their collective heads trying to figure out which OEM I was. It was not under this name... I tried to protect their interests while helping others to program their own controllers.

I speak from experience... This will not end well for Curtis! The more they tighten the grip, the less market share they will keep for themselves. Other controller manufacturers that will work with the smaller OEMs and end customers will win out in the end.

This is exactly what happened when another large manufacturer (Motorola) tried holding tightly onto the programming abilities of their products. They are no longer the major market share in their industry. Other manufacturers made 2 way radios that were less expensive, easy to program, and Motorola became an importer of foreign made equipment. No better that their competitors.

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I agree 100%, just look at alltrax. They have a good user interface and allow access to the controller, and don't require some Byzantine programmer that costs as much as their competitor's controller. And I don't see a flood of Chinese imitation controllers flooding the market. If you make a good product at a good price, people will buy it. People will even pay a premium for a locally made product. What people will not pay a premium for is a china made product sold by a US company claiming it is better than some other china made product. I personally don't see the value in paying somebody just because they found a way to import a product from china (middleman).

I have been looking at other controllers from other brands, currently I am just sizing up the market to see what is out there. Sevcon is the other major player I have seen, but they too have limitations. I'd love to hear of some other options in the ac motor controller market.
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I agree 100%, just look at alltrax. They have a good user interface and allow access to the controller, and don't require some Byzantine programmer that costs as much as their competitor's controller. And I don't see a flood of Chinese imitation controllers flooding the market. If you make a good product at a good price, people will buy it. People will even pay a premium for a locally made product. What people will not pay a premium for is a china made product sold by a US company claiming it is better than some other china made product. I personally don't see the value in paying somebody just because they found a way to import a product from china (middleman).

I have been looking at other controllers from other brands, currently I am just sizing up the market to see what is out there. Sevcon is the other major player I have seen, but they too have limitations. I'd love to hear of some other options in the ac motor controller market.
Sevcon (now Borgwarner) stuff is very versatile and well made but the user friendliness is not great; and yes what users can do vs OEMs is very limited because of the versatility. I've worked with engineering level programming tools for their Gen4 AC controls, it can get pretty complicated if you don't know what your doing.
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