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Unread 11-22-2018, 01:07 AM   #1
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Default The Definitive Club Car DS Rotation Guide:

I know it's be asked a million times, but could someone please post the definitive guide, once & for all, for a clone engine swap regarding the CCDS years/models. I have a 1997 CCDS gasser... And couldn't be more confused what will & will not work.

Some posts say the 1997 and up CCDS has a clockwise engine, and yet, an off the shelf clockwise engine at places like Harbor Freight - (i believe i read) cant be used to perform a simple swap? Something to do with the transaxle? Maybe not? This is where you come in. There is a lot of erroneous info out there and i was just hoping someone could end all the confusion. I've spent hours reading and couldn't be any more confused...

1) 1997 & up Club Car ds engine/transaxle rotation direction:
2) 1997 and under engine/axle rotation direction:
3) Standard off the shelf 6.5hp / 18hp / 22hp V-Twin engine rotation:
4) When performing an engine swap, what to consider:
5) In what instances do you need to run forward for reverse?

Please excuse the caps i'm visually impaired...
5) i realize all the gearing info is already out there...
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Unread 11-22-2018, 07:27 AM   #2
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Default Re: The Definitive Club Car DS Rotation Guide:

Welcome to BGW Brett!

Club Car engine/transaxle rotation viewing the Drive Clutch:

1984 to late 1996:
Kawasaki engines w/the 2 part transmission/differential rotate Counterclockwise.

1997 to late 2013:
Kawasaki engines w/Unitized transaxles rotate Clockwise.

2014 to present:
Subaru engines w/Fuji transaxles rotate Counterclockwise.

ALL (well, almost all) of the aftermarket engines rotate Counterclockwise. (off the shelf HF, Briggs etc.)
I say almost, because I had heard there was one... ONE... Honda engine that rotates Clockwise,
(Don't ask me which one, because I don't know!)

Club Car is an odd duck!
Nobody really knows WHY the Club Car and Kawasaki designers got together
and thought it would be a good idea to make the later model carts rotate Clockwise!
(maybe because all of the other manufacturers rotate counterclockwise?)

Counterclockwise aftermarket engines CAN be used with the Clockwise transaxle,
It's been done a number of times with positive results!
(as long as you don't mind the shifter being in reverse while moving forward)

Because of the gear ratio change using the reverse gearing for forward,
most 97+ CC engine swappers add high speed gears to improve the top speed and still have loads of torque,
and most use 18hp or better engines with the HS gears,
(I don't think the smaller, off the shelf Harbor Freight engines would fair as well w/HS gears as the larger V-twins do.)

I've never done a swap, but the things to consider for a BB swap would be:
Engine mount, drive belt, heavier drive and driven clutches, possible charging system, throttle, and air/fuel delivery upgrades, and yes, high speed gears!

Check out the Big Block forum... granted, most CC swappers prefer pre-96 counterclockwise transaxles for a big block swap,
but, there are a few 97+ Club Cars with Briggs, and Clone big block upgrades that I'm jealous about!

Click>>> http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/big-block-talk/

Hope this helps!
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Unread 11-22-2018, 10:08 AM   #3
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Unread 11-22-2018, 12:21 PM   #4
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Default Re: The Definitive Club Car DS Rotation Guide:

Thank you for the info!!

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Unread 11-23-2018, 04:24 AM   #5
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Default Re: The Definitive Club Car DS Rotation Guide:

Thank You... and Happy Holidays! At least now hopefully, once and for all, people'll have a place for the correct info... But I just wish i'd known all this years ago when i bought my 97 and started dumping $$ into the lift and all the extras!! Now I guess I'll start hitting Craigslist for a used 96 Gasser DS -- someone who wants one towed off would probably be a whole lot cheaper than just buying the transaxle outright! I am so tired of that low rev, cold blooded FE290 in upper upstate NY -- altho that low end torque certainly hauled a lot of firewood, not fast, but it never hesitated once it warmed up. I bet i put 1/2 ton of wood on it & behind it several times... even towed a few cars and pulled a few snow machines off the lake! Anyone got any cold weather tips for a stock engine? Still got the limiter, governor, jet & stock pipe. is it worth upgrading... or better to eventually spend $300 for an 18HP clone? And would the torque difference even be noticeable with an 18HP clone? I was thinking a 4 stroke not the V Twin. Just too much money to justify for the amount of use it gets. What is the right cold weather jet? And what about a straight pipe? Would the mini bike clone pipe bolt on? I do like my choke in cold weather tho... Maybe i could find a clone Mikuni with an offset manifold & slide...
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Unread 07-07-2019, 11:57 AM   #6
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Default Re: The Definitive Club Car DS Rotation Guide:

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Thank You... and Happy Holidays! At least now hopefully, once and for all, people'll have a place for the correct info... But I just wish i'd known all this years ago when i bought my 97 and started dumping $$ into the lift and all the extras!! Now I guess I'll start hitting Craigslist for a used 96 Gasser DS -- someone who wants one towed off would probably be a whole lot cheaper than just buying the transaxle outright! I am so tired of that low rev, cold blooded FE290 in upper upstate NY -- altho that low end torque certainly hauled a lot of firewood, not fast, but it never hesitated once it warmed up. I bet i put 1/2 ton of wood on it & behind it several times... even towed a few cars and pulled a few snow machines off the lake! Anyone got any cold weather tips for a stock engine? Still got the limiter, governor, jet & stock pipe. is it worth upgrading... or better to eventually spend $300 for an 18HP clone? And would the torque difference even be noticeable with an 18HP clone? I was thinking a 4 stroke not the V Twin. Just too much money to justify for the amount of use it gets. What is the right cold weather jet? And what about a straight pipe? Would the mini bike clone pipe bolt on? I do like my choke in cold weather tho... Maybe i could find a clone Mikuni with an offset manifold & slide...
My stock jet was 80. I got 90 from cart parts plus. Makes a Big difference!

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