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Unread 03-18-2013, 01:18 PM   #11
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Default Re: Columbia Par Car Points Conversion

I guess I'm confused. I don't know what year my par car is, but the engine that was in it (2-stroke) had the point lobe already on it. The plastic ring with the magnets just slipped over it. Looked like you just need to put the point plate over it and away you go.
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Unread 03-18-2013, 06:28 PM   #12
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Yes! The ones I have seen were like that but your description was confusing. That is why pictures are useful. If we had pics the problem could have been solved quickly. Good luck!
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Unread 03-18-2013, 06:42 PM   #13
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Yes! The ones I have seen were like that but your description was confusing. That is why pictures are useful. If we had pics the problem could have been solved quickly. Good luck!
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Unread 09-16-2015, 11:05 AM   #14
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Vintage golf cart parts has them. Around $35.00 for a new one and $17.00 for a rebuilt one.
tew45 wondering if you could help me out, i cant justify the $200 for a new ignition module, what parts do i need to convert back to points? I was looking here where you suggested and am not sure which parts i actually need.

(wont let me post link since i just registered after reading posts for months!)

vintagegolfcartparts dot com then clicked on Columbia up top and then ignition parts on left side..

I've lost spark, i get one spark when i turn the key off..tried metering everything and I'm down to replacing the coil and module at this point..

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Unread 09-16-2015, 11:07 AM   #15
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also, anyone have a picture of the setup installed?
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Unread 09-16-2015, 12:54 PM   #16
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The points set up is simple:

You will need three items:

Points plate
Points
Condenser

All of these combined should cost $30 or so. Why so cheap compared to the module? Well, when you try to get that thing timed just right you'll know! There's a reason why no modern engines use points. All the same, if you get the point timing just right your cart will run just fine. I actually converted my carts from points to the electronic as I hate timing. I get why people don't want to drop the money though.

The needed parts are the same for all HD / Columbia years from the early 70s on up. Many places sell the points plate / points as a package with the points already attached.

Installation is simple. The new points plate is the same size and configuration as the plate for the e-module. It's just going to use the same screws and holes in your motor housing. The condenser will mount to the points plate next to the points. You'll have to remove the plastic rotator with the magnets from the end of the crank. It just pulls off.

After that, you just wire the condenser to the points using the push connector that the condenser will come with. Then you attached a wire from the same place to the + of the coil. Done.

I'll see if I can find you a good pic.
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Unread 09-16-2015, 01:09 PM   #17
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Thanks! a picture would be great! I see posts from a year or two ago saying the electronic module is only $100 but best price i can find is $180..is there a way to test the electronic module? i randomly have spark til the carts good and warm and then its done..i have traced every and all wires, cleaned everything, added and tested grounds to the motor..no dice yet on a fix. i know its either the coil or module...was thinking about testing by spending $30 on points before dumping $200 at the module...gamble i know but I'd rather throw out 30 than 200..
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Unread 09-16-2015, 10:42 PM   #18
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Looking at a 91 GSEL Utilitruck manual, it appears you still have to rotate the ignition module to time it. Mine was easy to time after I found the timing marks and I'm happy with mine.

I'm guessing yours is basically the exact same thing as mine (1983) but with the solid state ignition module parts. 81 and earlier HD models have a flywheel and the timing marks are on the flywheel but I think the points setup is the same.

You will need to have a little cam on the end of the crankshaft to move the points and your adjustment slots will have to be in the same place as the points plate slots. Also I see on yours, an extra wire on the + side of the coil going to the ignition module and you won't be needing that with points so take it off.

I sketched up a drawing of what mine looks like (from memory) and how to time mine so you can compare or figure out what you may have to do. The wire to the points goes on the - side of the coil.
http://jfhtm350.webs.com/points1.jpg
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Unread 09-17-2015, 08:38 AM   #19
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Thanks, that diagram will be money! I'm gonna try to mess with rotating the current one slightly before ordering parts. Do you know of any way to test the current module?
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Unread 09-17-2015, 09:33 AM   #20
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Default Re: Columbia Par Car Points Conversion

I like the point system since once it is adjusted it rarely needs attention and it is less expensive. The Hall effect is probably a better system but it is unnecessarily expensive and I don't think I understand the rotor differences in cart years. A good bit of information is here on the forum in the Columbia Par car/gas utilitruck service manual supplement 1986 to 1988. (CPC_MANUAL_SERVICE_1986_1988_GS_UTILITRUCK.pdf)
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