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Unread 11-25-2018, 05:12 PM   #21
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I cant air iy up the shovks arent mounted yet i didny want to do that without having the steering done yet just in case the tie rods where in the way

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Unread 11-26-2018, 08:03 AM   #22
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Sorry to disappear. I would suggest listening to Shepard, its very apparent he has way more experience than I do with carts and fab. I was merely trying to help by posting and explaining the geometry detailed in the article.

I don't want to voice my opinion and be wrong, causing you more grief/delay/cost. Its just that, an opinion, and not based on any experience or basic knowledge on the subject. Still subscribed and hope I can help where I'm confident in my understanding.
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Unread 11-27-2018, 03:31 AM   #23
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Bremsen,

You ideas and thoughts make sense you and shep are basically describing the same thing your knowledge is not only accepted but appreciated aswell please any pointers or cool ideas you guys might have lay it on me im always open to ideas


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Unread 11-27-2018, 09:42 AM   #24
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If you look at page 6 you can see how to determine your steering arm angle -- it's not straight forward.




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Unread 11-27-2018, 11:10 AM   #25
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OK, as long as I'm not held accountable

Shep, isn't the ackerman angle already built into the spindles from Jakes (or OE for that matter). Am I missing something (again, not all that familiar with carts) that he changed, our could change, with regard to ackerman? Just trying to understand better. I've been mostly discussing the tie rod/steering pivot in relation to the inner mounting points of the upper and lower control arms in order to reduce bump steer (per the longacre article).

I do agree that he should start by setting ride height on the table as well as determine desired suspension travel.

Here is another pshop. Again, this is only an opinion/brainstorm based on what the articles said. If you move that upper arm pivot outward, and shorten the rack per Shep, it looks like that should get the tie rod pivot closer to what the article says is optimal (in line between the upper & lower inner arm pivot points). I think he's going to have to shorten both upper and lower arms anyway since the Jake's kit widens the front track (according to the info I read on it). Normally you don't want a wider track if you run air so that the front tires tuck when layed out. Shortening that upper arm in relation to the lower would also increase camber gain as the suspension lowers.
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Unread 11-29-2018, 01:14 AM   #26
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If the spindles are untouched and the factory steering arms are used -- the Ackerman angle is figured in the assembly. The problem comes when we start using parts differently then the manufacturers intended.

The reason I dwell on this is --- it's the first step in building a custom front suspension concerning the spindles. If not done right the first time the vehicle will track funny and the front wheels will slid in the turns. The inside tire turns less then the outside tire when making left or right turns.

Shortening and moving the upper control arm pivot point outward will help correct one of the problems from a "too wide of a steering rack"
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Unread 12-02-2018, 07:14 PM   #27
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Okay gentlemen. You've talked me into it I will do as you have directed I will get back to you soon as the work is done and we will see how it goes thank you both very much for your Insight I appreciate it

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Unread 12-02-2018, 10:18 PM   #28
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Budstar17 - I feel your pain on this one. I've been struggling with the same type issues myself. Shepard and the rest of the folks on this forum have been a great help. Don't be afraid to experiment a little. This is how we all learn.

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Unread 12-03-2018, 10:48 AM   #29
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Gotti welcome to thread and thus far yes there insight has helped a bunch its comming together tho but ill tell ya honestly after looking at sheps build ive rethinking my whole suspension set up hey shep what would you suggest i do to the back i was thinking a double triangulate 4 link or a parallel link

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Unread 12-03-2018, 11:42 AM   #30
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If you get a minute, you can check out some of the suggestions that they have made towards my build. It might answer some questions for you.

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