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ruredy 07-17-2007 09:58 AM

Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Please note.... this mod is for stock engine carts.... make sure what size belt you have before buying one.

A simple belt change will give you loads of pulling power and more controll over your carts speed. Yes just 1" shorter will make a world of difference. Be careful, there have been cases where people have flipped their carts over backwards climbing steep hills while using these belts. The shorter belts will also keep your clutches engaged longer, this helps maintain better throttle response and will also help braking on the downhills.
You would not belive the difference the shorter belt will make. It is by far the single biggest improvement you could ever make, short of swapping in a bigger engine. It will more than make up for any power loss caused by bigger tires.
The shorter belt will not make your engine produce more torque. What it will do is change your starting gear ratio on your CVT. This will let more of the engines power get to the wheels sooner. Its like putting a 4.88 rearend in grandma's old chevy caprice. Even with a 6cyl you can burn the tires off.

There are 2 shorter belts that will work on a 94 - 06 Medalist/txt/workhorse carts.

1st belt is for a Ezgo 89 -91 2cyc cart. Its 41" long, OEM # 22337-G1
At first it will run a little slower but give it some break-in time and you will get back up to speed. This will give you a great low end power for climbing and allow you to maintain your top end speed.

2nd belt is for a Ezgo 1992-1993 2cyc and 1992-1994 4cyc, it is 40 3/4" long, OEM # 27077-G02
This belt is very tight, hard to get on, and needs to run about a week before you can get it off without cutting. It will losen up a little after alot of break-in time. I would say this belt would work the best if you were running in a very wet or muddy place. I had only lost a few mph with this belt after it was broke-in. This belt will make it hard to shift from forward to reverse when stopped on a hill or incline. This problem will diminish over time.

Its very hard to tell the difference between the 2 belts as far as low end power. I will say that the first belt is the one I would use and like best.

For those of you with a 92 - 94, 4 stroke Marathon, GXT804(all years), cart, you will need to use a shorter Yamaha belt .
For the guys that have the 45" belt on the 2 strokes, I was told that the Dayco HP3004 is an inch shorter and would work
The belt for a Polaris atv, Trail Blazer and other models, is the same as the 1" shorter belt used on the txt's, I've been running one for a few years now.

milo32000 07-22-2007 08:49 PM

Re: Shorter Belts
 
I have a 72054g01 , what belt should I get ?, Should it be 1 inch or 2 inch shorter ? Thanks , Milo

ruredy 07-23-2007 03:42 PM

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What is your cart?

milo32000 07-23-2007 09:03 PM

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Sorry for being a D.A. , got a 02 ezgo, txt, runs good but has slow take off, Also, has 22x11x8 tires. Thanks for the help, I`m new at this, but having a ball. Milo

ruredy 07-23-2007 11:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ruredy (Post 20470)
There are 2 shorter belts that will work on a 94 - 06 Medalist/txt/workhorse carts.

1st belt is for a Ezgo 89 -91 2cyc cart. Its 41" long, OEM # 22337-G1

2nd belt is for a Ezgo 1992-1993 2cyc and 1992-1994 4cyc, it is 40 3/4" long, OEM # 27077-G02

I will say that the first belt is the one I would use and like best.

.

use the first belt

milo32000 07-29-2007 03:27 PM

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Thanks for the imfo, I order a 22337g1 Monday morning, is there any trick to putting it on, would be nice to just roll it on ! Thanks, milo

ruredy 07-30-2007 12:14 AM

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It will be tight but shouldn't be to hard to roll on. after its run for awhile it will get alot easier to get on and off if you need to.

Blaze 08-02-2007 07:30 PM

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Where can I get that shorter belt for my 2003 TXT, I ordered one from Boggers and its like 45" long!

milo32000 08-02-2007 09:03 PM

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Go to NAPA store , a 22337gi is the Ezgo # and the NAPA # is 6098, it`s $22.00, I just got one . Thanks , Milo

Blaze 08-02-2007 09:14 PM

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Milo, how did that work for ya?

tungpo1 08-03-2007 04:51 AM

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I can get you a 22337-g1 drive belt 1-3/16" wide x 41" for $20

Blaze 08-07-2007 08:45 PM

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:thumbup:Wow, really added some getty up to the cart! thanks for the info!!!!!!!

spriddle 10-08-2007 08:52 AM

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What size shorter belt would an 02 ST 350 need to get a little more torque? I'm pretty sure the belt is the same as a stock Ezgo cart.

spriddle 10-08-2007 09:29 AM

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Somebody hurry up so I can give tungpo1 my order. :lol:

TVH 10-17-2007 07:41 AM

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The # for the Napa belt is not complete. Is there a prefix bfore the #?

ruredy 10-17-2007 08:52 AM

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Not sure about that number, pm milo and ask him. I did look through the belts that were in there online catalog but couldn't find it, they do have wider belts like that, I just couldn't find the right one. there online catalog is pretty hard to search through. We know these belts are 1-3/16" wide, I would just carry one up there to match the profile. They may have it listed for a Polaris, like a 96 trail blazer 250 or many others models that use the same belt. I have been running a Polaris belt on one of my carts for the last few years.

milo32000 10-17-2007 03:09 PM

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I have a 02 txt, the shorter belt I put on was EZGO # 22337g1, which is a Gates 6098, I think it fits a 91 EZGO 2 stroke .It`s a little tight to get on, but it`s well worth the effort as it will climb like a cat in heat. Please fell free to touch base with me if you need any help !

Milo

TVH 10-17-2007 08:45 PM

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Thanks for the info guys. The Napa store didn't know what to do with that part #

tbolt 11-02-2007 11:39 PM

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I tried a short belt but went with the 28 degree clutch and stock belt climbs really good and still have top end.

Glen

ruredy 01-15-2008 09:32 AM

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I have posted this info before but I decided to include it in this sticky because it is a very worth while mod. also I know Glenn will be happy about it. :-P

This is an alternative mod for those who don't want to spend the big bucks on on buying the 28deg clutch

The 28 degree driven clutch comes standard on the ST utility trucks, it is made for load hauling and pulling power, and to compensate for larger tires. I can't think of any cons at all to it, it's really the best way to improve your low end power. If you don't feel like spending alot for a 28deg clutch you can change just the cam on the 36 degree driven clutch to a 28 degree cam. This is provided your clutch is in good shape to start with. check to see which cam your driven clutch already has before buying the parts for this mod. the normal txt clutch cam has 36 degree ramps on the cam, it will have a 36 stamped on the back of them (closest part to the rear end housing). The 28deg and has 28 stamped on it. The steeper angle on the cam makes it harder for the clutch to open thus keeping it in a lower gear longer.

The 28 degree cam, and buttons can be bought from ezgo.
E-Z-GO part #'s are
1 each - 72329-G01 Cam
3 each - 72324-G01 Button
use 120 degrees of preload, and the middle spring setting.
Thanks to ezgomike for this great info :thumbup:

tbolt 01-16-2008 10:34 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
ruredy, thats what I'm talking about. If they are going to offroad with large tires the 28 is the best mod for the money, especially if you change them yourself. I bought a new one cause the old one was about shot. The parts are less than $20.00 around here. ;-)

Glen

flynhawaiian1 01-16-2008 10:44 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Ruredy,
I just got my new belt today. Went outside to change the belts out and found that the new belt is wayyyy to short. I know you said it would be tight but would'nt fit. So I measured my belt and it is 47 3/4's OD. So, I guess I wasted some money on this belt. I did some research and found the ST480 uses that size belt. I guess the PO had the ST480 clutch installed. Is this what you are calling the 28* clutch? If it is I am just wondering how glen is using a stock belt on his? I found a belt that I think is for a Columbia drive belt that is 1 3/16 X 47 1/2 OD I guess this would be kind of the same idea as the 1in. shorter belt just not as short. Do you have a suggestion of a belt that would be a 1in shorter than what I have?

Rob

ruredy 01-16-2008 11:13 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flynhawaiian1 (Post 48187)
Ruredy,
I just got my new belt today. Went outside to change the belts out and found that the new belt is wayyyy to short. I know you said it would be tight but would'nt fit. So I measured my belt and it is 47 3/4's OD. So, I guess I wasted some money on this belt. I did some research and found the ST480 uses that size belt. I guess the PO had the ST480 clutch installed. Is this what you are calling the 28* clutch? If it is I am just wondering how glen is using a stock belt on his? I found a belt that I think is for a Columbia drive belt that is 1 3/16 X 47 1/2 OD I guess this would be kind of the same idea as the 1in. shorter belt just not as short. Do you have a suggestion of a belt that would be a 1in shorter than what I have?

Rob

The belt mod and belt numbers are for a stock cart, not one with a v-twin in it. I'm guessing your cart has a v-twin (the st480 is a v-twin cart also). The 28deg clutch and the 36deg one are the same size, you can't tell the difference between them unless you look at the stamped number on it. Sorry if it wasn't clear enough about that being for a stock engine cart, the 28deg clutch would be a good choice if you don't already have one. As for the belt I'm not really sure about that one, I know my 480 doesn't need a shorter belt but it does have the 28 deg clutch on it.

flynhawaiian1 01-16-2008 11:52 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Thanks for the quick reply. Yes I do have a V-twin, Briggs 18hp high rev kit with Hi-comp head gasket. But, when I bought the cart it had a stock 9hp in it. So, the rear clutch was in the cart and as far as I know the same belt is being used on the cart now. I could be wrong, but the belt has some cracks in between the groves so I assume it's not a new belt. So, I guess I need to know if any of you other guys had to put a longer belt on when you put your big blocks in?

ruredy 01-17-2008 12:53 AM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
The vtwin carts use a longer belt than the stock engine carts, the clutches are basicaly the same size and could even be your stock clutches. whoever did your install should be able to help with a belt. If not I think Tom from CPP can help you with the belt.

Yamaha4life 01-17-2008 03:59 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Is there a belt you guys would reccomend for a G16?

tbolt 01-17-2008 10:20 PM

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I guess I could have been more clear on my definition of a stock belt. The Vtwins do use a little longer belt but they have for and aft adjustment in the eng mount on the swing arm. But trust me, the 28 degree is the way to go. Unless you are dragracing. For offroading or hauling it will make a different animal of it. Sorry if I confused anyone. :cry:

Glen

onemorebeer 01-24-2008 06:39 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
I have the clutch that I changed to 28 degrees, I have decided to go the big block route. Should I change the clutch back?

ruredy 01-24-2008 07:17 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onemorebeer (Post 49315)
I have the clutch that I changed to 28 degrees, I have decided to go the big block route. Should I change the clutch back?

It would probably be quicker off the line with a 36deg clutch if that matters to you. If you use the cart for hauling or pulling I would more than likely keep the 28. It can get annoying to have the engine rev up pretty high just to get the cart going though, I tend to forget about that cause the bigger tires I run won't let that happen as bad. you'll be able to adjust how it takes off a little by moving the engine backwards or forwards when you get the vtwin installed.

tbolt 01-24-2008 10:57 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
If you are going to offroad KEEP the 28

Glen

Hermie 01-28-2008 09:54 AM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
I am trying to covert my clutch in my 1992 marathon 4 stroke to a 28 degree clutch and I am having trouble finding the parts. They want to sell me the whole clutch and I just want the cam and buttons to covert my.

According to BU forums I need
BU seemed lost and wanted me to buy the whole clutch

1 - 72329-go1 - cam
3 - 72324-go1 - buttons

If anyone can help me find these without having to buy the whole clutch please let me know where and how much?

also want to order the yamaha belt while I am at it 39" blt yao 1339

Thanks
Brian

ruredy 01-28-2008 10:58 AM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Have you talked to any local ezgo dealers in your area, they should be able to get you those parts with no problems. I get the feeling BU only does whats best for BU, they make a bunch off of those clutches so it's in their best interest to not sell the parts.

tbolt 02-04-2008 07:35 PM

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Bingo!!!!!!!!

Hermie 02-04-2008 09:09 PM

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I ordered them last week
just waiting for them to get them and ship them to me
Thanks

porkchop 02-05-2008 11:27 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Hey Hermie,were did you order your parts from for the clutch? I think that I will try to do the same,change over to a 28 degree clutch. Thanks Porkchop.

Hermie 02-06-2008 03:07 AM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
lake erie carts

1-800-276-0909

frogger812 02-20-2008 06:38 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
I need a new drive belt for my 91 ezgo. what size belt do I need????? I think I what a shorter belt for the low end

thanks collin

ruredy 02-20-2008 10:38 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by frogger812 (Post 53423)
I need a new drive belt for my 91 ezgo. what size belt do I need????? I think I what a shorter belt for the low end

thanks collin

Your cart already has the shortest ezgo belt, I believe if your wanting to try that your going to need the yamaha belt. Someone has posted about that in this thread already, http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/gas-e...rter-belt.html. check it out.

porkchop 02-21-2008 04:33 PM

Re: Shorter Belts and 28 degree driven clutch
 
Hey frogger I have a 91 4-stroke as well and I run a Yamaha 85 newer belt on mine. It is 39.5 long and 1.25 wide and I love it. But I have also listened to the others here on BGW and ordered my 28 degree parts for the clutch. They ran me $62 and some change. I going to give them a try and I'll let you know the results. Have fun with your project.

mthrall 03-12-2008 05:13 PM

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Ok I've got a question do you guys run the 28 degree clutch and the torque spring? I'm just trying to get my tall tired pig to run a little better and I need to figure out what I've got for the clutch parts right now.


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