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Old 05-15-2014, 07:53 PM   #1
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Default 1998 DS Gas - Clutch turns over easy by hand - no compression

I picked up a few carts that have been sitting for some time and I have yet to try and start them. I am assuming the engines are blown as there is no "compression stroke" when turning the drive clutch over, it will just keep spinning by hand.

Before I open them up, does anyone know if I am looking at blown pistons or could it just be stuck open valves?

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Old 05-15-2014, 07:54 PM   #2
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Default Re: 1998 DS Gas - Clutch turns over easy by hand - no compression

Pull the valve cover and see what is moving.
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Old 05-16-2014, 10:12 AM   #3
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Default Re: 1998 DS Gas - Clutch turns over easy by hand - no compression

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Pull the valve cover and see what is moving.


Also, these motors are cake to turn over by hand. If you cant have a helper shine a flashlight into the spark plug hole to verify the piston is in fact moving up and down, you can stick a long 3/8ths ratchet extension in there, and slowly turn the motor over by hand, making sure the extension doesn't bind.

Provided the piston is in motion, there is technically a "compression stroke." However, if the valves or rings are shot, it wont build the needed compression.

Cheap compression testers are available, and worth the money for troubleshooting these carts.
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Old 05-16-2014, 01:54 PM   #4
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Default Re: 1998 DS Gas - Clutch turns over easy by hand - no compression

And something else to look for...
If the carts are "key start" and not pedal start, they may have an ACR (Automatic Compression Relief valve) Which has a compression of 75psi!

Most (2000+) pedal start engines without an ACR have a tag on it like this:

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Just a thought!
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Old 05-16-2014, 04:34 PM   #5
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Default Re: 1998 DS Gas - Clutch turns over easy by hand - no compression

ok, its pedal start and I took the valve cover off of one and both valves seem to move properly, one after the other. I don't want to try and run them for a compression test and possibly further damage them internally so I'm just guessing before I open one up for inspection.

Has anyone had a similar situation and it turned out to just be the rings or piston? I'm hoping the cylinder will still be in good shape as I don't hear any grinding.

Anything else to look for? they all have oil (really black) and I don't see any obvious leaks.
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Old 05-16-2014, 04:56 PM   #6
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Default Re: 1998 DS Gas - Clutch turns over easy by hand - no compression

You could have the butterfly valve out of the carb. stuck under the intake valve or exhaust. You can do a pressure test to see where the airs going.
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Old 05-16-2014, 04:59 PM   #7
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You could have the butterfly valve out of the carb. stuck under the intake valve or exhaust. You can do a pressure test to see where the airs going.
what's a good way to pressure test the engine in the cart?
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