01 DS Won't Go

SaltLifeCC · 06-15-2011, 06:10 PM

A few weeks ago, I helped my neighbor replace the generator in his 01 DS gasser. We tested everything with a volt meter and it seemed to be working great. Now things are not so great. The generator will run when the pedal is pushed but the engine doesn't kick in and go. When he asked me to help figure out the problem, I started asking questions. Turns out that the 15 amp fuse kept blowing. So, Einstein installs a 20 amp fuse instead. Eventually the 20 amp blows so he puts in a 25 amp fuse. Well the new fuse didn't blow but now the cart won't go.

So, what has he done by putting in the bigger fuse? What can we check and/or assume may have been fried because of the bigger fuse? And what could we have done or still should do to troubleshoot the fuse blowing to begin with? I had no idea he was having issues until it was too late.

invalidsession · 06-15-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 03RedClub

A few weeks ago, I helped my neighbor replace the generator in his 01 DS gasser. We tested everything with a volt meter and it seemed to be working great. Now things are not so great. The generator will run when the pedal is pushed but the engine doesn't kick in and go. When he asked me to help figure out the problem, I started asking questions. Turns out that the 15 amp fuse kept blowing. So, Einstein installs a 20 amp fuse instead. Eventually the 20 amp blows so he puts in a 25 amp fuse. Well the new fuse didn't blow but now the cart won't go.

So, what has he done by putting in the bigger fuse? What can we check and/or assume may have been fried because of the bigger fuse? And what could we have done or still should do to troubleshoot the fuse blowing to begin with? I had no idea he was having issues until it was too late.

You got me confused here 03, does the cart still turn over but no start or have you lost everything now ? Blowing fuses is indicative of a short somewhere or an incorrect wiring issue when you replaced the S/G. To answer your "what has he done" question; by jumping up the amperage on the fuses he has got dangerously close to exceeding what the switches and wiring were designed to handle. I'd suggest checking the wiring diagrams on the home page here and try to sort out where you are losing voltage. More precise information as to why the S/G was replaced would also be a big help to getting to the root of his problem.

Chris.

lockman1 · 06-16-2011, 06:25 AM

Here's the reason he replaced the S/G Chris!

http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/gas-c...generator.html

03... An Einstein he was...

Sadly, I had one experience with blowing fuses,

but not NEAR to that extent!

I replaced my S/G belt, got it good and tight, and found that the S/G would "start to turn" the engine over,
but then, the engine would stop at the compression stage, and neither the S/G or the engine would turn past that point,
I continued to pump the GO pedal to try to get it past that point and..."POP" goes the fuse!
after 2 more 10 amp fuses, I decided to remove the S/G belt, and test it without it on,
Of coarse it worked just fine, I reinstalled the belt, but, I wasn't able to get it as tight as before,
and the S/G turned the engine over like there was never a problem.

What I found was, that my belt was TOO tight causing extra undo strain on the S/G, making the fuse do it's job.

As for troubleshooting what NOW may be wrong with your neighbors cart,
I'd start by checking the battery and it's connections, voltages at the solenoid, and S/G... and the continuity of the key switch, and micro's.
Beyond that... I'm at a loss!

I hope it turns out to be something easy! (and cheap!)

invalidsession · 06-16-2011, 07:13 AM

Thanks for the heads up Don, I remembered it from your link

Chris.

shadowman · 06-16-2011, 08:36 AM

one thing with that 25 amp fuse take a good look see at all your 12 gage or smaller wires see if you can find where one melted cause theres a good chance it melted a wire somewhere it might even be wires coming out of fuse block...........it didn,t catch fire so thats good but i,ll bet you take a good look and your gonna find a melted wire somewhere.............keyswitch, soleniod, S/G fuse block................somewhere in there..................

rose88 · 06-16-2011, 08:39 PM

Wow 25 amp fuse, if it blows the 10 that goes there you have an issue. Bigger fuses mean more things can get burned up! Sounds like you may have a short somewhere.

SaltLifeCC · 06-19-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by invalidsession

You got me confused here 03, does the cart still turn over but no start or have you lost everything now ? Blowing fuses is indicative of a short somewhere or an incorrect wiring issue when you replaced the S/G. To answer your "what has he done" question; by jumping up the amperage on the fuses he has got dangerously close to exceeding what the switches and wiring were designed to handle. I'd suggest checking the wiring diagrams on the home page here and try to sort out where you are losing voltage. More precise information as to why the S/G was replaced would also be a big help to getting to the root of his problem.

Chris.

First off, I don't know what type of fuse was supposed to be in there but what he started with was a 15a. I sold my gasser last year so I don't have anything to compare his to. But he had a few 15a fuses last a day or so each and, when he ran out, he grabbed a 20a. That lasted a couple of days and it finally blew, so he grabbed all he had left in his assorted box, which was a 25a. I didn't know this was going on til after the fact. I would have never advised bumping up the amperage without checking some things out instead.

Chris, what happens is - push the gas pedal, generator turns, belt turns, motor never engages. He says he's getting a spark at the plug, though.

I've been gone for a week so I don't know what the current status is. I'll get some wiring diagrams and get him to check things out.

Thanks

shadowman · 06-19-2011, 07:55 PM

it should be a 10 amp fuse in there unless C.C. upped the ampreage.................03 if motor isn,t engaging its not possible hes getting spark the motor turning over is what creates spark unless he means its turning over but not starting ................if thats the case and almost has to be if it has spark than its a fuel issue..............you need compression, spark and fuel.......but you know that............you need to see it 1st hand..........................

SaltLifeCC · 06-19-2011, 08:06 PM

Thanks Shadow. If he started with a 15a, then either he had issues prior to swapping out the generator or the dealer he bought it from did it. It sat needing a generator for probably nearly a year before he actually put one in. I didn't check it myself but he said it's getting a spark. So, maybe it is a fuel issue. I'll get back with him and see where he is with it - and also suggest he go back to a smaller amp fuse. :)

06-15-2011, 06:10 PM	#1
SaltLifeCC Gone Wild Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 734	01 DS Won't Go A few weeks ago, I helped my neighbor replace the generator in his 01 DS gasser. We tested everything with a volt meter and it seemed to be working great. Now things are not so great. The generator will run when the pedal is pushed but the engine doesn't kick in and go. When he asked me to help figure out the problem, I started asking questions. Turns out that the 15 amp fuse kept blowing. So, Einstein installs a 20 amp fuse instead. Eventually the 20 amp blows so he puts in a 25 amp fuse. Well the new fuse didn't blow but now the cart won't go. So, what has he done by putting in the bigger fuse? What can we check and/or assume may have been fried because of the bigger fuse? And what could we have done or still should do to troubleshoot the fuse blowing to begin with? I had no idea he was having issues until it was too late.
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06-16-2011, 06:25 AM	#3
lockman1 What the ....? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N.E. Wisconsin Posts: 14,931	Re: 01 DS Won't Go Here's the reason he replaced the S/G Chris! http://www.buggiesgonewild.com/gas-c...generator.html 03... An Einstein he was... Sadly, I had one experience with blowing fuses, but not NEAR to that extent! I replaced my S/G belt, got it good and tight, and found that the S/G would "start to turn" the engine over, but then, the engine would stop at the compression stage, and neither the S/G or the engine would turn past that point, I continued to pump the GO pedal to try to get it past that point and..."POP" goes the fuse! after 2 more 10 amp fuses, I decided to remove the S/G belt, and test it without it on, Of coarse it worked just fine, I reinstalled the belt, but, I wasn't able to get it as tight as before, and the S/G turned the engine over like there was never a problem. What I found was, that my belt was TOO tight causing extra undo strain on the S/G, making the fuse do it's job. As for troubleshooting what NOW may be wrong with your neighbors cart, I'd start by checking the battery and it's connections, voltages at the solenoid, and S/G... and the continuity of the key switch, and micro's. Beyond that... I'm at a loss! I hope it turns out to be something easy! (and cheap!)

06-16-2011, 07:13 AM	#4
invalidsession Gone Wild Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Eldon Missouri Posts: 977	Re: 01 DS Won't Go Thanks for the heads up Don, I remembered it from your link Chris.

06-16-2011, 08:36 AM	#5
shadowman The Last Moja Morani Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: jumping from cart to cart Posts: 8,975	Re: 01 DS Won't Go one thing with that 25 amp fuse take a good look see at all your 12 gage or smaller wires see if you can find where one melted cause theres a good chance it melted a wire somewhere it might even be wires coming out of fuse block...........it didn,t catch fire so thats good but i,ll bet you take a good look and your gonna find a melted wire somewhere.............keyswitch, soleniod, S/G fuse block................somewhere in there..................

06-16-2011, 08:39 PM	#6
rose88 Gone Wild Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: West Tennessee Posts: 1,269	Re: 01 DS Won't Go Wow 25 amp fuse, if it blows the 10 that goes there you have an issue. Bigger fuses mean more things can get burned up! Sounds like you may have a short somewhere.

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06-19-2011, 07:55 PM	#8
shadowman The Last Moja Morani Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: jumping from cart to cart Posts: 8,975	Re: 01 DS Won't Go it should be a 10 amp fuse in there unless C.C. upped the ampreage.................03 if motor isn,t engaging its not possible hes getting spark the motor turning over is what creates spark unless he means its turning over but not starting ................if thats the case and almost has to be if it has spark than its a fuel issue..............you need compression, spark and fuel.......but you know that............you need to see it 1st hand..........................

06-19-2011, 08:06 PM	#9
SaltLifeCC Gone Wild Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 734	Re: 01 DS Won't Go Thanks Shadow. If he started with a 15a, then either he had issues prior to swapping out the generator or the dealer he bought it from did it. It sat needing a generator for probably nearly a year before he actually put one in. I didn't check it myself but he said it's getting a spark. So, maybe it is a fuel issue. I'll get back with him and see where he is with it - and also suggest he go back to a smaller amp fuse. :)
SaltLifeCC Gone Wild Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 734