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05-14-2018, 04:27 PM | #11 |
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
With a 700 amp controller they are feeding your Tim the toolman emotions. Grrrr. No way you will ever pull 700 amps.
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05-14-2018, 04:28 PM | #12 | |
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
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Thanks, Sean Gregg |
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05-14-2018, 06:22 PM | #13 |
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
The controller is limiting how much current the motor can draw. With the stock controller the motor is only getting around the 225 amps it can supply. A bigger controller can feed it more amps. I would recommend looking at the specs of your particular motor and see what the recommended max amps are. Then pick a controller that works in that range. Size the wiring, solenoid etc to match.
What you don’t want as an example is that 700 amp controller feeding a stock motor. It will run real good until it melted into a big paper weight! |
05-14-2018, 08:16 PM | #14 |
MOD of all BS!
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
Alltrax Pertinent Info:
2 year warranty versus Others 1 year "Auto Throttle Calibration" for smooth throttle and 100% current delivery Forced Cooling Fan that comes on the high amp models The only controller with reverse polarity protection on the input and the output Shift on the fly (FNK1) mode selection The Monitor screen and batch file capabilities from the Tool Kit with assistance from Tech Support for deciphering problems Etc. etc. |
05-14-2018, 09:10 PM | #15 | |
Getting Wild
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
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Ultimately people are going to buy what they want, if someone would trade me an Alltrax for my FSIP straight up, I would do it. Facts are facts though, in the end they still will perform basically the same. So if he can get a deal on the FSIP and someone is recommending it, then unless it's a terrible controller it's prolly just fine. Sean, sounds like you should upgrade the controller and your solenoid as you probably only have the 200amp. And yes, you should definitely see an increase and the FSIP can be turned down to 350amps so you can adjust to your liking. We are all friends here and I'm sorry if I ruffled any feathers. |
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05-14-2018, 09:17 PM | #16 |
Just Gone
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
Sean, I seriously doubt you'll get to 35mph with that motor and adding the 700 fsip. I think you'd need a custom wound motor, excellent battery pack and a big controller to get that number or taller gears.
But I think if you add the 700amp fsip and upgrade to 2awg cables you'd probably gain a couple mph and get there a whole lot quicker than what you do now. The fsip is a great controller for series carts when it comes to price per amp and you'll find other members who agree with me. P.S. If I had a SepEx cart, no doubt I'd go with an Alltrax. But with these simple series carts the fsip is more than sufficient. |
05-14-2018, 09:17 PM | #17 |
MOD of all BS!
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
Yep, you are 100% right Pal.....
I just try to get all the info to them, just as you are trying to do. And no doubt we do for the most part lean towards Alltrax the last 2 years around here, but it is only because they are doing some cutting edge stuff there and especially in there XCT line. But we all know that all the other manufacturers (Curtis, FSIP, etc.) have been around a long time and make stead fast components.... And you are also correct, in a Series, there is not a lot of manipulation as in a Sepex style Poor Sean, now we have really scrambled his brain.... |
05-14-2018, 09:42 PM | #18 | |
Getting Wild
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
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Good luck Sean and report back and keep us updated on your journey. |
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05-15-2018, 09:38 AM | #19 |
Not Yet Wild
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
Thanks all for the immense wealth of information! I love to learn, and you guys have definitely helped me along my journey! As for the specs of my new motor, this is all I could find. I did not see any info on max amp draw:
Performance Specifications (Golf Cart Motors) Vehicle Speed : 24 MPH Torque Enhancement : -15 % Motor RPM : 5550 Peak HP : 11.1 Vehicle performance specs are compared to the standard factory performance. Several factors can effect the performance. Some are battery conditions; tire size, tread type and air pressure; and varying environmental conditions. Standard factory speeds normally run between 12-14 MPH This information is based on a standard factory gear ratio and no trailer hitch being present on the cart. Any change in gear ratio or addition of a trailer hitch will void any liability, unless pre-authorized by D&D Motor Systems. Application Comments (Golf Cart Motors) 1. Speed Focus 2. A controller upgrade is required unless utilized in an extremely flat environment. 3. This motor should NOT be used on vehicles with high speed gears or with more than a 4 passenger backseat kit. Current draw will be too high and speed will be unsafe! The model number is 170-011-0002 by D&D. Does anyone else have any experience or additional info about this particular motor? Thanks again guys, Sean Gregg |
05-15-2018, 10:08 AM | #20 |
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Re: Advise on upgrading to 700a FSIP controller 0-5k
I think you have all the information available. It will increase speed and decrease torque. A typical speed/torque trade off. It requires a bigger than stock Speed control which means it will draw more amperage. A bigger than stock speed controller will require an upgraded solenoid, and may require an upgraded F&R and cable set to balance the amperage delivery system and avoid failure.
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