Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help

schkattack1 · 05-23-2022, 02:40 PM

Club Car Experts- I am reaching out to all of you again for your help. I am still working on my 2010 Club Car Precedent and started installing a 6" lift kit. I have the front end done and it went fairly well. When I was close to being done I noticed the hub spindles/rods seems to be slightly forward facing and not what I would call straight out perpendicular to the body. This indicated the front tires would be toed inward and sure enough they look toed inward. See the pictures. I tried to adjust the tie-rods to move them out but there is not enough thread to do it. I backed the threads all the way out until it separated. Any thoughts on how to bring the tires out more? Do I need longer tie rods? I appreciate any help. Thanks

Volt_Ampere · 05-23-2022, 04:21 PM

Sounds like you need longer tie rods. Maybe there is something wrong with your lift kit install. It looks like your tire rods angle down a lot.

schkattack1 · 05-23-2022, 04:38 PM

I have been doing some more research and maybe someone has some experience with tie rod extenders. The lift kit install went like the videos I have seen and I followed the directions as well so I am not sure about something wrong with the lift kit install but I can look at it again. All items matched up. thanks

dundeebarnbuggy · 05-23-2022, 04:47 PM

Is the cart resting on the tires or have you got it on jacks? Cart needs to be sitting on it's tires with preferably you [or equivalent weight] on the seat or floorboard to set toe in.

schkattack1 · 05-23-2022, 06:09 PM

it is resting on the tires now but it was on the jacks- I did some adjusting while it was on the jacks because they were so bad pointing inward. I am not sure how many threads I have on the tie rod that I am thinking about removing the cotter pin and removing the nuts and bolts then screwing the end of the tie rod all the way back in on both sides to start over. any thoughts on that? do you think that if I do it with the tires on the ground it will line up ok? thanks

dundeebarnbuggy · 05-23-2022, 11:25 PM

From the pics it appears that your camber is way off. Always adjust the camber [so the wheels are square to the floor] BEFORE you try to adjust the toe in. Again with your equivalent weight on the chassis.

schkattack1 · 05-24-2022, 07:54 AM

will try that- I have the bumper off and will adjust the camber.
thanks for the reply

Fairtax4me · 05-24-2022, 09:54 AM

Follow the instructions for proper camber adjustment first.
To some extent incorrect Toe will make it look like the camber is wrong, but it's mostly due to the angle of the steering axis because you need for the wheels to be pointed straight ahead to get an accurate camber setting. You will probably need to make multiple small adjustments to the camber and then to the toe angle to get it correct.
Also keep in mind that when the cart is lifted and then put back on the ground the cart will have to be rolled in order for the tires to settle. Roll the cart backwards at least one full revolution of the tires, and then back forwards.

Removing the cotter pin, the castle nut, and twisting the tie rod end is a major waste of time, and a headache. Loosen the lock nut on the tie rod, and turn the tie rod itself. It has a hex section for a 12mm wrench to fit on for making toe adjustments.
If the boot tries to twist with it, remove the spring clamp and spray some silicone lube where the boot contacts the tie rod so it will be able to spin inside the boot.

gsp041 · 05-24-2022, 12:15 PM

David Hicks from Revolution Golf Cars, one of the site sponsors, has the information you need under the "help section" of his web page. He knows the Precedent like the back of his hand and is a good guy.

schkattack1 · 05-24-2022, 05:47 PM

Guys,
Thanks so much for all of your help and great responses.
It is truly very much appreciated. I gain knowledge from you
when I see the responses. The camber was way way positive and
I adjusted it 2 places then it looked a whole lot better. Real close to
what I think it should be. I will adjust the toe next after I add the new
leaf springs to the rear section. Again many thanks to all of you.

05-23-2022, 04:21 PM	#2
Volt_Ampere Gone Wild Join Date: May 2012 Location: Rio Verde, Az Posts: 7,183	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help Sounds like you need longer tie rods. Maybe there is something wrong with your lift kit install. It looks like your tire rods angle down a lot.

05-23-2022, 04:38 PM	#3
schkattack1 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 20	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help I have been doing some more research and maybe someone has some experience with tie rod extenders. The lift kit install went like the videos I have seen and I followed the directions as well so I am not sure about something wrong with the lift kit install but I can look at it again. All items matched up. thanks
schkattack1 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 20

05-23-2022, 04:47 PM	#4
dundeebarnbuggy Gone Wild Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Dundee quebec Posts: 3,190	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help Is the cart resting on the tires or have you got it on jacks? Cart needs to be sitting on it's tires with preferably you [or equivalent weight] on the seat or floorboard to set toe in.

05-23-2022, 06:09 PM	#5
schkattack1 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 20	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help it is resting on the tires now but it was on the jacks- I did some adjusting while it was on the jacks because they were so bad pointing inward. I am not sure how many threads I have on the tie rod that I am thinking about removing the cotter pin and removing the nuts and bolts then screwing the end of the tie rod all the way back in on both sides to start over. any thoughts on that? do you think that if I do it with the tires on the ground it will line up ok? thanks
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05-23-2022, 11:25 PM	#6
dundeebarnbuggy Gone Wild Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Dundee quebec Posts: 3,190	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help From the pics it appears that your camber is way off. Always adjust the camber [so the wheels are square to the floor] BEFORE you try to adjust the toe in. Again with your equivalent weight on the chassis.

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05-24-2022, 07:54 AM	#7
schkattack1 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 20	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help will try that- I have the bumper off and will adjust the camber. thanks for the reply
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05-24-2022, 09:54 AM	#8
Fairtax4me Bonafide Nincompoop Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Charlottesburg Va Posts: 8,987	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help Follow the instructions for proper camber adjustment first. To some extent incorrect Toe will make it look like the camber is wrong, but it's mostly due to the angle of the steering axis because you need for the wheels to be pointed straight ahead to get an accurate camber setting. You will probably need to make multiple small adjustments to the camber and then to the toe angle to get it correct. Also keep in mind that when the cart is lifted and then put back on the ground the cart will have to be rolled in order for the tires to settle. Roll the cart backwards at least one full revolution of the tires, and then back forwards. Removing the cotter pin, the castle nut, and twisting the tie rod end is a major waste of time, and a headache. Loosen the lock nut on the tie rod, and turn the tie rod itself. It has a hex section for a 12mm wrench to fit on for making toe adjustments. If the boot tries to twist with it, remove the spring clamp and spray some silicone lube where the boot contacts the tie rod so it will be able to spin inside the boot.

05-24-2022, 12:15 PM	#9
gsp041 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: West Georgia Posts: 44	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help David Hicks from Revolution Golf Cars, one of the site sponsors, has the information you need under the "help section" of his web page. He knows the Precedent like the back of his hand and is a good guy.

05-24-2022, 05:47 PM	#10
schkattack1 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 20	Re: Tires_Toed_in-Need_Help Guys, Thanks so much for all of your help and great responses. It is truly very much appreciated. I gain knowledge from you when I see the responses. The camber was way way positive and I adjusted it 2 places then it looked a whole lot better. Real close to what I think it should be. I will adjust the toe next after I add the new leaf springs to the rear section. Again many thanks to all of you.
schkattack1 Not Yet Wild Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 20