Starter problem for 2001 G-16A

silverlinedan · 05-18-2014, 01:38 PM

Hello,
I have a 2001 G-16A. I am pretty sure I need to get a new starter but wanted to "test my theory" before I purchase. The golf cart will not turn over. There is the clicking sound from the solenoid and but starter with not turn. I have check voltage in battery and at starter and it appears fine. I also swapped the battery out with one from our other carts and it runs that cart fine. I have also checked all wire connections and they appear fine. But, if I put the cart in neutral and carefully turned belt pulley on the starter by hand, the starter will engage and start the cart. However, the first couple of rotations of the starter are very slow and you can hear a "scraping" noise as it turns. That is what leads me to believe that the starter is bad. Is there anything else I can check or am I correct in my theory.
Thanks

duramax · 05-18-2014, 07:39 PM

sure sounds like a starter

silverlinedan · 05-18-2014, 08:14 PM

As a follow up, I took the belt off the starter pulley. When I turn the pulley by hand with no ignition it turns freely with no resistence or scraping noise. If I push the gas pedel with ignition I still have to start it going by hand but it engage for a few seconds and stop.

So I tested the solenoid by disconnection the wires on the two large posts on the top of the solenoid and measuring the omhs across the two large posts. With the ignition off it is zero omhs. When I turn the ignition on and press the gas pedal, the solenoid clicks and the omhs measure 133 omhs and than slowly drop to between 3.7 and 4.2 omhs. I believe the reading should be around 0.4 omhs, correct? So now I am thinking and hoping it is the solenoid becasue a $30 solenoid is a lot cheaper than a $275 starter. Any thoughts?

bigstik40 · 05-19-2014, 07:27 AM

You could also try eliminating the solenoid by connecting the battery positive directly to the starter positive with a jumper cable and see if it acts the same. Make sure you have the cart in neutral when you try this. If it does turn out to be the starter or if you're not sure, you can save some money by looking up an automotive rebuilder and take the starter/gen. there for checking and/or repair. These starter/generators are pretty rugged and are highly rebuildable or repairable. May just need new brushes. Good luck - RAY

P.S. - Poor connections in the high current circuit could also be a problem (especially at the battery).

silverlinedan · 05-19-2014, 06:56 PM

Thanks for info Ray. I had not think to try that. I would have saved a ton of time, lol. When I jumped from hot post to hot post, I got the same result. So I pulled started and will take it in tomorrow to have it rebuilt.
Thanks again!!!!

bigstik40 · 05-19-2014, 08:14 PM

Glad you got it sorted out. Let us know the final outcome. - RAY

moesdeals · 05-19-2014, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverlinedan

Thanks for info Ray. I had not think to try that. I would have saved a ton of time, lol. When I jumped from hot post to hot post, I got the same result. So I pulled started and will take it in tomorrow to have it rebuilt.
Thanks again!!!!

If rebuilding is too much I have a good used Yamaha original equipment starter for $100 + shipping

BrewCityMusic · 05-21-2014, 08:30 AM

when the brushes started to go on my G16 I also had to occasionally give it a little assist to get spinning - pull the starter and install new brushes (about 15-20min and extremely straightforward to do, about $12 a set) and You should be fine. While You have it apart, it also never hurts to clean up the armature with some fine emery cloth too - once You do this, You should be just fine

silverlinedan · 05-22-2014, 12:50 PM

Okay, I had to do the quickest fix possible as the cart is our maintenance cart at the resort and we were in a jam without it. That was to purchase a new one from NAPA. I ordered the bushings and will rebuild the old one. We have three G16s so it never hurts to have a spare.

It was the starter. The cart turns over just fine. However, there is a new problem. The cart will not start and the forward and reverse are backwards (it wants to go forward when in reverse and backwards when in forward). What did I do, lol? The starter is the exact same model number as the old. The wires are the exact same and I installed it the exact same as the old. I did not mess with any other wires. One the cart.

silverlinedan · 05-22-2014, 01:44 PM

Okay, I switched the F1 and F2 leads and the cart runs fine, forward is forward and reverse is reverse. However, I know that this was not the way it was wired when I removed it. Also the wire going to F2 is barely long enough to reach post and I had to remove a zip tie to get the length. Am I missing something?

05-18-2014, 01:38 PM	#1
silverlinedan Not Yet Wild Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7	Starter problem for 2001 G-16A Hello, I have a 2001 G-16A. I am pretty sure I need to get a new starter but wanted to "test my theory" before I purchase. The golf cart will not turn over. There is the clicking sound from the solenoid and but starter with not turn. I have check voltage in battery and at starter and it appears fine. I also swapped the battery out with one from our other carts and it runs that cart fine. I have also checked all wire connections and they appear fine. But, if I put the cart in neutral and carefully turned belt pulley on the starter by hand, the starter will engage and start the cart. However, the first couple of rotations of the starter are very slow and you can hear a "scraping" noise as it turns. That is what leads me to believe that the starter is bad. Is there anything else I can check or am I correct in my theory. Thanks
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05-18-2014, 07:39 PM	#2
duramax Gone Wild Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: S.W. Florida Posts: 302	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A sure sounds like a starter

05-18-2014, 08:14 PM	#3
silverlinedan Not Yet Wild Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A As a follow up, I took the belt off the starter pulley. When I turn the pulley by hand with no ignition it turns freely with no resistence or scraping noise. If I push the gas pedel with ignition I still have to start it going by hand but it engage for a few seconds and stop. So I tested the solenoid by disconnection the wires on the two large posts on the top of the solenoid and measuring the omhs across the two large posts. With the ignition off it is zero omhs. When I turn the ignition on and press the gas pedal, the solenoid clicks and the omhs measure 133 omhs and than slowly drop to between 3.7 and 4.2 omhs. I believe the reading should be around 0.4 omhs, correct? So now I am thinking and hoping it is the solenoid becasue a $30 solenoid is a lot cheaper than a $275 starter. Any thoughts?
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05-19-2014, 07:27 AM	#4
bigstik40 Gone Wild Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Erie, Pennsylvania Posts: 989	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A You could also try eliminating the solenoid by connecting the battery positive directly to the starter positive with a jumper cable and see if it acts the same. Make sure you have the cart in neutral when you try this. If it does turn out to be the starter or if you're not sure, you can save some money by looking up an *automotive rebuilder* and take the starter/gen. there for checking and/or repair. These starter/generators are pretty rugged and are highly rebuildable or repairable. May just need new brushes. Good luck - RAY P.S. - Poor connections in the high current circuit could also be a problem (especially at the battery). Last edited by bigstik40; 05-19-2014 at 09:17 AM.. Reason: add PS.

05-19-2014, 06:56 PM	#5
silverlinedan Not Yet Wild Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A Thanks for info Ray. I had not think to try that. I would have saved a ton of time, lol. When I jumped from hot post to hot post, I got the same result. So I pulled started and will take it in tomorrow to have it rebuilt. Thanks again!!!!
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05-19-2014, 08:14 PM	#6
bigstik40 Gone Wild Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Erie, Pennsylvania Posts: 989	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A Glad you got it sorted out. Let us know the final outcome. - RAY

05-21-2014, 08:30 AM	#8
BrewCityMusic Hammer Down !!!! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Lake Geneva, WI Posts: 2,681	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A when the brushes started to go on my G16 I also had to occasionally give it a little assist to get spinning - pull the starter and install new brushes (about 15-20min and extremely straightforward to do, about $12 a set) and You should be fine. While You have it apart, it also never hurts to clean up the armature with some fine emery cloth too - once You do this, You should be just fine

05-22-2014, 12:50 PM	#9
silverlinedan Not Yet Wild Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A Okay, I had to do the quickest fix possible as the cart is our maintenance cart at the resort and we were in a jam without it. That was to purchase a new one from NAPA. I ordered the bushings and will rebuild the old one. We have three G16s so it never hurts to have a spare. It was the starter. The cart turns over just fine. However, there is a new problem. The cart will not start and the forward and reverse are backwards (it wants to go forward when in reverse and backwards when in forward). What did I do, lol? The starter is the exact same model number as the old. The wires are the exact same and I installed it the exact same as the old. I did not mess with any other wires. One the cart.
silverlinedan Not Yet Wild Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7

05-22-2014, 01:44 PM	#10
silverlinedan Not Yet Wild Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 7	Re: Starter problem for 2001 G-16A Okay, I switched the F1 and F2 leads and the cart runs fine, forward is forward and reverse is reverse. However, I know that this was not the way it was wired when I removed it. Also the wire going to F2 is barely long enough to reach post and I had to remove a zip tie to get the length. Am I missing something?
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