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Old 03-08-2022, 01:17 PM   #61
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Has anyone tried without using the 4th pin/wire? I was told these new 2022 controllers are a copy of a Curtis controller. Curtis controllers only use 3 wires in the 1309 communication cable (club car & ezgo) I am wondering if the Curtis cable would work on the icon carts- they only use 3 wires but the pin out for tx,rx, and ground r the same. The Curtis cable costs more but would be nice to just have 1 cable rather than 5-6

Curtis is really proud of that 1309 programming cable but it can be made for around 50 bucks and some eprom edits to the usb ttl adapter.

Furthermore- I wonder if the Curtis software would recognize the Chinese copy?!?
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Old 03-08-2022, 01:35 PM   #62
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Has anyone tried without using the 4th pin/wire? I was told these new 2022 controllers are a copy of a Curtis controller. Curtis controllers only use 3 wires in the 1309 communication cable (club car & ezgo) I am wondering if the Curtis cable would work on the icon carts- they only use 3 wires but the pin out for tx,rx, and ground r the same. The Curtis cable costs more but would be nice to just have 1 cable rather than 5-6

Curtis is really proud of that 1309 programming cable but it can be made for around 50 bucks and some eprom edits to the usb ttl adapter.

Furthermore- I wonder if the Curtis software would recognize the Chinese copy?!?
Who told you that? I spoke with somebody at the ICON factory and he said they stopped using the Toyota ones because of availability since they're used heavily with forklifts. He said the Chinese company they work with made their own to accommodate all of their needs.

This could have been a line they sort of repeat though and perhaps they did copy things from Curtis?
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Old 03-08-2022, 08:34 PM   #63
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Who told you that? I spoke with somebody at the ICON factory and he said they stopped using the Toyota ones because of availability since they're used heavily with forklifts. He said the Chinese company they work with made their own to accommodate all of their needs.

This could have been a line they sort of repeat though and perhaps they did copy things from Curtis?
i read it on a post somewhere on the **** internet, who knows if its true, i know there are Chinese knockoffs of the Curtis controllers out there so i wouldn't be surprised.

the reason i ask about the 4th pin and the Curtis cables is because on the regular Curtis controllers you do not need the 4th wire for pc programming, but the handheld programmer uses all 4 wires. when i look at the pinout for the Curtis communication cable it is the same as the pinout for this controller aside from the 4th wire not being connected on the Curtis cable... but the curtis handheld programmer does use all 4 wires, i guess the 4th wire provides power to the handset? would be neat if the curtis cable was plug and play with these carts considering the same cable works for a ton of curtis controllers(club car & ezgo, in addition to many forklifts.
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Old 05-09-2022, 04:57 PM   #64
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All the electrical wiring diagrams I have seen online only show 3 wires going to the programming port. Do the carts actually have 4? I can check later this week after I receive my i40. Picking it up on Thursday.
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Old 05-09-2022, 05:00 PM   #65
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All the electrical wiring diagrams I have seen online only show 3 wires going to the programming port. Do the carts actually have 4? I can check later this week after I receive my i40. Picking it up on Thursday.
2019-2021 carts used a Toyota neos controller which only uses 3 wires- the 2022 vehicles have a new controller and use all 4 pins and have 4 wires for programming. See the sticky in this section for controller iDentification. It shows/ explains the differences there.
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Old 05-09-2022, 07:48 PM   #66
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2019-2021 carts used a Toyota neos controller which only uses 3 wires- the 2022 vehicles have a new controller and use all 4 pins and have 4 wires for programming. See the sticky in this section for controller iDentification. It shows/ explains the differences there.
Makes sense. All the drawings out there must be for the older Toyota controller.
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Old 05-10-2022, 07:41 AM   #67
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I haven't built my cable yet but I suspect that the extra wire is to power the handheld controller and isn't necessary. This is my next project after I finish the stereo.
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Old 05-11-2022, 10:17 AM   #68
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Thank you to all, just finished my cable.
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Old 05-17-2022, 12:02 PM   #69
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I built my cable and got it working last night. I used a ftdi usb to 0.100" header cable because I had a couple of those lying around. I basically made an adapter that goes between the ftdi header and the 4 pin molex programming connector in the cart. I only hooked up 3 wires. The 4th wire isn't needed in my case.

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/...2R-3V3/1836393

I found a few weird quirks with the sw while I was playing around. It seems like you need to run the app as administrator and I don't recall this being mentioned here. Also, if you don't run as admin the ICON logo in the upper right changes to LVTong. I thought that was funny.

Now the fun begins!
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Old 05-19-2022, 09:56 AM   #70
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It seems like you need to run the app as administrator and I don't recall this being mentioned here. Also, if you don't run as admin the ICON logo in the upper right changes to LVTong.

Now the fun begins!
If I try to switch the software to administrator, it asks for a password. Of course I don't have one. Am I doing something wrong or is there a default password to use?
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